Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 13:24 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Features, Office "Today's another exciting day as we move closer to Beta 1. We are just wrapping up the MVP summit here in Redmond and we've finally announced another piece of functionality I've wanted to talk about for a long time now. This afternoon Steven Sinofsky announced to our MVPs that we will build in native support for the PDF format in Office 12."
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Compete to OOo
by markpeak on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 13:40 UTC
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When I was asked what feature bring OpenOffice.org over Microsoft Office. My answer usually is pdf export (to non geek user who don't know and don't care about OpenDocument).

I can't answer like that anymore.

However, OOo2 uses traditional office suite interface with new format (OpenDocument).
Office 12 also uses new format (Open XML) but whole new interface too.

This add learning curve for Office 12 than OOo2. No one knows that new interface is good or not, then this is chance for OOo2 because it will release in weeks compare with Office 12 for months.

RE: Compete to OOo
by Jody on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 14:02 in reply to "Compete to OOo"
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2005-06-30

There is a review of OOo2 here http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/176/41/

The reviewer didn't seem real impressed with it. He said the simple installer is gone in favor of packages, they copy MS too much, and Writer is too bloated now.

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RE[2]: Compete to OOo
by on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 14:35 in reply to "RE: Compete to OOo"
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The reviewer didn't seem real impressed with it. He said the simple installer is gone in favor of packages, they copy MS too much, and Writer is too bloated now.

* The installer was critisized for being too simple before. That's a fix.

* OOo 1 was critisized for not being like MSO enough for people to easily pick it up. That's a fix.

* In what way is Writer bloated? (I read the comments, and I don't get it...word processors are getting bigger mostly to handle integration of different data types.)

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RE: Compete to OOo
by on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 14:03 in reply to "Compete to OOo"
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And by the time OpenDocument gains momentum un the enterprise, it will be too late for MS Office.

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RE: Compete to OOo
by on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 14:36 in reply to "Compete to OOo"
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This PDF capability is great since it means that people won't have an excuse to post Word documents for public consumption. But that still doesn't address the ability to collaborate on projects (ie. a document format which is easily editable by all).

While I'm sure that Microsoft is going to be placing a lot of emphasis on the "open" in Open XML, it isn't sufficient if it is the patented one which everyone is talking about. Yeah, yeah. I know that the PDF specification is owned by Adobe. On the other hand Adobe has been very flexible with who can implement their PDF and PS specifications. We haven't seen this sort of flexibility from Microsoft.

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RE[2]: Compete to OOo
by n4cer on Mon 3rd Oct 2005 13:15 in reply to "RE: Compete to OOo"
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MS' XML formats are no more patent encumbered than PDF. A patent license is given for all patents currently applicable or that may be in the future. What's so hard about actually reading the license before making false claims about it (This is a question for all, not just you)?

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RE[2]: Compete to OOo
by on Sun 2nd Oct 2005 23:09 in reply to "Compete to OOo"
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"This add learning curve for Office 12 than OOo2. No one knows that new interface is good or not, then this is chance for OOo2 because it will release in weeks compare with Office 12 for months."

Unfortunately, having used the very similar Lotus Word Pro I believe this interface will be extremely good (even allowing for the usual inferiority of Microsoft clones.) The instant updates and live application of formatting will actually reduce learning curves for new users. With the MS marketing machine behind it, this will become ubiquitous. Hopefully OO.o will catch up quickly.

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