Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:51 UTC
Editorial A couple of years ago, a professor at my university had a very interesting thought exchange with the class I was in. We were a small group, and I knew most of them, they were my friends. Anyway, we had a talk about language purism - not an unimportant subject if you study English in The Netherlands.
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RE[4]: Comment by wirespot
by zlynx on Tue 27th Oct 2009 16:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by wirespot"
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Kudos for doing the numbers. You cheated just a little bit.

Apple charges a high upgrade price on the CPUs. By bumping from 2.26 to 2.6 GHz you add $1400 to the system.

With everything the same but keeping the slower CPUs I get $3,639 for the Mac Pro.

I also don't think you found the Nehalem Xeons for that price at ZipZoomFly. I see 2.26 E5520 for $382 each.

And no operating system yet, but lets say you get a OEM copy of Win7 for $100.

There is also warranty, service, assembly, burn-in testing, etc.

Probably up to around $3,000 like you said.

So it's $3,000'ish vs. $3,639.

And that's where people get the idea that the real cost of OS X is about $500.

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RE[5]: Comment by wirespot
by boldingd on Tue 27th Oct 2009 20:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by wirespot"
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Even assuming you're right, I still wouldn't pay $500 for OS X. I'll have to install Windows for gaming, practically speaking (unless steam launches on OS X tomorrow), and that's where I'll spend a lot of my time. So, I'll be hopping into whatever the other OS is only for work tasks. Hint: if I'm gonna pick a just-for-productive-work OS, it's not going to be OS X for $500.

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RE[5]: Comment by wirespot
by looncraz on Wed 28th Oct 2009 16:11 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by wirespot"
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I found the Xeons on eBay :-)

I should have watched the item, maybe I'll look for them later.

I did the upgrade because I couldn't find an affordable matching pair of CPUs, I went with the best value for the build rather than base-line comparison.

I did this because that is what a person would do when building a system - look for the best bang for the buck. Apple's $1400 upgrade cost is truly mind-boggling.

Likewise, the RAM was cheap because I used 2x4GB sticks, rather than Apple's bulk-bought 4x2GB. 4GB modules were the value king, 2 GB would cost more per GB.

The video was a no-brainer. What a steal! Especially considering Apple charges $200 for it after removing the base card.

Sure, the base-line system from Apple would have cost considerably less, but to build it on your own is not the wisest way to go. In the real world, you look for the best bang per buck, so I did exactly that, upgrading the Mac only if I needed to do so to match the best general-market values.

Of course, if one has the smarts to go this far, one would be expected to be capable of providing one's own support. All the hardware I selected is under factory warranty as well.

I think a comparable chassis is the most difficult part of the game. Apple has been making incredibly lovely machines for years.

Of course, if you really want a good deal, you would just buy a slightly used MacPro for half of the general market expense.

That is just crazy.

--The loon

EDIT: dyslexia rules!

Edited 2009-10-28 16:17 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by wirespot
by Abstract on Wed 28th Oct 2009 22:06 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by wirespot"
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No doubt Apple hardware is more expensive then a low end PC or Build It Yourself.
Most Mac users know not to buy the hard drive, cpu and ram upgrades when you are configuring a Mac at the Apple Store website.
Other World Computing, among other sites all offer the same upgrades for a lot less.

Just like buying a car, you don't upgrade the radio/stereo or tires, etc.. from the dealer, you get after market parts or upgrades for either cheaper or better performance/quality. Nothing wrong with that.
So your price comparison is skewed, but I repeat again, Apple hardware is usually more expensive then other low end or build it yourself.

And you also took one model / offering of Apple's hardware. the iMac is a better value then a lot of build it yourself options, mac mini might be slight more then the equiv PC shuttle, but laptops as a complete package (don't forget display and the battery, plus the case) is very competitive when it comes to high end laptops.
Plus by your own omission you went out and found the parts piece by piece from different sources, so if you can do that why can't a person purchasing a Mac also go out and get upgrade parts in the same manner. But again it is the total package you are buying when you purchase an Apple product.

to quote myself:

I can buy the same paint that any other artist does, but what i create with it might not have the value or worth that a famous artist’s work does. Also I may not feel as though a painting by an artist is worth millions of dollars, but if someone else does, and is willing to pay it, then so be it.

This is what Apple has done.

Simple fact is Apple has been doing well with their current business model, if it works while change it radically? Should Apple take the approach of Dell? large volume, low margins? Ya, thats very successful.

Oh they should take the approach of Microsoft and license their OS to other hardware vendors to sell systems with Mac OSX pre-installed?

Big difference is Microsoft has a strangle hold on the corporate/enterprise market which wether you want to accept it or not is where Microsoft makes the bulk of their money from when it comes to OS sales, cause i think it was something like only 2/3rds of home users (non-corporate) actually purchase the OS and the majority of those are OEM, as in the OS came with the computer.

Microsoft has 85-90% of the market share, so they make up for their loss in in volume, Apple has 10% so if 1/3rd of their users pirated Mac OSX its a bigger hit to Apple then Microsoft takes ratio wise.

Besides do you enjoy dealing with the nonsense of Activation Keys, calling Microsoft to re-Authenticate, etc..

How do we put a price tag on our time & frustration, or the value of being stress free?

Edited 2009-10-28 22:11 UTC

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