Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Oct 2009 23:20 UTC
Law and Order As most of you will know, Nokia slapped Apple with a patent lawsuit last week. Nokia claims that Apple's iPhone infringes upon 10 patents related to GSM, UMTS, and WiFi connectivity. In its SEC 10-K annual report filing, Apple made its first cautious response to Nokia's claims.
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RE: Apple
by Laurence on Thu 29th Oct 2009 10:49 UTC in reply to "Apple"
Laurence
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2007-03-26

They have beaten its largest competitors in the market

Maybe in USA, but over here in Europe the iPhone is still loosing out to Nokia, Sony Erricson and WM powered devices.

Don't get me wrong, for a new comer to the market, the iPhone has had a storming success. But it's still far from being the market leader.

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RE[2]: Apple
by tyrione on Thu 29th Oct 2009 11:06 in reply to "RE: Apple"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"They have beaten its largest competitors in the market

Maybe in USA, but over here in Europe the iPhone is still loosing out to Nokia, Sony Erricson and WM powered devices.

Don't get me wrong, for a new comer to the market, the iPhone has had a storming success. But it's still far from being the market leader.
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78% of profits in the Smartphone market of late is going through the iPhone.

Selling billions of throw away phones isn't making Nokia profitable.

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RE[3]: Apple
by Laurence on Thu 29th Oct 2009 11:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

78% of profits in the Smartphone market of late is going through the iPhone. Selling billions of throw away phones isn't making Nokia profitable.


So you're saying Nokia should focus their business on over-priced handsets that pretty much perform the same functions as their cheaper counter parts except for pricing most consumers out of the market?

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RE[3]: Apple
by JAlexoid on Thu 29th Oct 2009 14:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple"
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2009-05-19

78% of profits in the Smartphone market of late is going through the iPhone.

Selling billions of throw away phones isn't making Nokia profitable.


Really? Last time I checked selling millions of throw away stuff can turn into a very nice profit. See all discount retailers as an example. Volkswagen is alive and making profits, even though they are the "throw away Nokias" of the automobile industry, while Ferrari would is the "premium Apples" and are small and insignificant.

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RE[3]: Apple
by spiderman on Thu 29th Oct 2009 15:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple"
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2008-10-23


78% of profits in the Smartphone market of late is going through the iPhone.

Is this US numbers? I've searched google and the highest number I've found is 32%. Most numbers are around 25%, which is already quite a big achievement for Apple with its relatively small market share (in units).

Edited 2009-10-29 15:49 UTC

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RE[3]: Apple
by Karitku on Thu 29th Oct 2009 16:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Apple"
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2006-01-12

78% of profits in the Smartphone market of late is going through the iPhone. Selling billions of throw away phones isn't making Nokia profitable.


Nokia makes good profit on all phones they sell. Actually "smartphones", because there is no clear definition what is smartphone, had highest profits for long time. Nokia makes good profit because it pays less on components, it's active researcher of new techniques, it has one of best logistics and warehouse management in world and big brand all over world. Apple has very low brand awareness in almost every else except North America.

Nokias biggest problem is design and shifting to high computing power phones. As for news I think one line clearly shows that this case is just about money: "and that the Company [Apple] has the right to license these patents from plaintiff [Nokia] on fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms and conditions."

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