Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 29th Oct 2009 15:39 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu We're a little late, but Real Life got in the way, so here we finally are. Canonical, the commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, announced today that Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop Edition has been released. This version focusses on improvements in cloud computing on the server using Eucalyptus, further improvements in boot speed, as well as development on Netbook Remix. The related KDE, Xfce, and other variants have been released as well. Update by ELQ: Just a quick note to say that one of my Creative Commons videos was selected to be part of Ubuntu's Free Culture Showcase package that comes by default with the new Ubuntu version!
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Rahul
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2005-07-06

"So... you are now distancing Fedora from Pulseaudio rather than giving Fedora "credit" for it? OK. Maybe that wasn't you. Maybe it was a large number of other Fedora advocates. But I do recall a lot of credit attribution regarding Fedora and Pulseaudio."

To make this simple to you: Ubuntu is responsible for what Ubuntu ships including patches and configuration.

I am not distancing Fedora from anything. Just explaining to you how ridiculous your position is. PulseAudio was a independent upstream project developed voluntarily for a long time.

Red Hat hired the primary developer and made it default in Fedora first but that doesn't make it a Fedora Project anymore than GTK+ or PackageKit or Nouveau driver or any of the in-numerous upstream projects later funded by Red Hat.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

To make this simple to you:

Let me make this simple for you, Rahul.

At one time, you couldn't count on sound working in Linux. The early to late 90s. Then it was just something one could expect to work. (2000-200?) I loved those days. But then pulseaudio showed up. Widely credited to Fedora, for whatever reason, and sound is now on par with 3D Video and wireless in Linux. It doesn't work. A huge backslide. Feel free to call my criticism of that particular regression silly if it makes you feel better. But it's a dirty shame. And Fedora was the distro trying to take the credit for that one... before it blew up.

Edited 2009-10-30 22:21 UTC

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Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Transitional bugs happen on every occasion including the move from crufty distribution specific scripts to NetworkManager. I am not saying that your criticism of the project itself as silly (it might or it might not be but that is a entirely different discussion) but I am definitely going to call it very silly and ridiculously stupid if you persist on blaming Fedora for what Ubuntu decides to include by default with known broken non-upstream patches.

You are indulging is some wild hand-waving and mental gymnastics like guilt by association to somehow rechristen PulseAudio as a Fedora project despite the clear facts being explained to you. PulseAudio, originally called Polypaudio was developed for several years as a entirely volunteer project. Fedora Project widely got the credit for including PulseAudio by default. That does not somehow make it a Fedora Project.

Face the reality: Pretty much every major distribution and several popular mobile devices are shipping with PulseAudio by default. So somehow all of them are stupid or they understand the benefits and it is working well for them. I will leave you to decide which sounds more realistic.

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