Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Nov 2009 23:59 UTC
Windows 7 has been out and about for little over a week now, and as it turns out, Microsoft's new baby is doing relatively well. That is, according to the figures by NetApplications: Windows 7 already reached the 3% mark this weekend, and is already closing in on the 4% mark.
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RE[6]: Windows market share
by lemur2 on Tue 3rd Nov 2009 11:02
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Member since:2007-02-17
That's just one of the countless ways the problem acts out. Some people have it crashing during install, others during live CD, and again others during the first few minutes of use. Others, even, during the use of specific applications. It happens on fresh installs as well as dist-upgraded ones.
The common denominator? Intel video chips.
The common denominator? Intel video chips.
I might remind you here that I have installed and run Kubuntu 9.10 on several different systems with Intel video chips without any problems at all.
Having said that, there are reports of problems for a significant number, which is a surprise I must say:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/
Finger-pointing is the usual response from the Linux community, and you fall in line like a perfect little monkey. If the current Intel video driver is to blame (which I doubt, since this problem is Ubuntu-specific) then Ubuntu should ship with a driver that DOES work. That is their responsibility.
Imagine going to restaurant, and then ordering a nice dinner. However, the meat is completely rotten, and tastes like vomit. Would you accept it when the chef says: "hey, my meat guy shipped me this rotten meat. Go complain to him, it's his fault."?
Of course you wouldn't. You would ask the chef why he didn't use some other meat.
Imagine going to restaurant, and then ordering a nice dinner. However, the meat is completely rotten, and tastes like vomit. Would you accept it when the chef says: "hey, my meat guy shipped me this rotten meat. Go complain to him, it's his fault."?
Of course you wouldn't. You would ask the chef why he didn't use some other meat.
"Its the OEMs fault" is the exact same response you get whenever you point out that poor quality drivers (or lack thereof) crash and burn Windows 7.
What is good for the goose is surely good for the gander.
Edited 2009-11-03 11:15 UTC
RE[7]: Windows market share
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 3rd Nov 2009 11:13
in reply to "RE[6]: Windows market share"
Member since:2005-06-29
"Its the OEMs fault" is the exact same response you get whenever you point out that poor quality drivers (or lack thereof) crash and burn Windows 7.
Apples and oranges.
We're comparing default installations, without added software. You will NOT find crappy drivers included in the default install of Windows 7 in the same way this crappy Intel driver is included in Ubuntu. And, we still haven't pinpointed this problem to the Intel driver - other distributions do not seem to have issues, only Ubuntu, so it might be something else.
RE[6]: Windows market share
by boldingd on Wed 4th Nov 2009 16:36
in reply to "RE[5]: Windows market share"
Member since:2009-02-19
Finger-pointing is the usual response from the Linux community, and you fall in line like a perfect little monkey. If the current Intel video driver is to blame (which I doubt, since this problem is Ubuntu-specific) then Ubuntu should ship with a driver that DOES work. That is their responsibility.
God, Thom, you're one of the site staff. In your position, you're supposed to be trying to keep things civil, not insulting posters and fanning the flames.
And look, the Intel driver is commonly known to be broken. Phoronix has been whining about this for a while. I return too this basic question: the Ubuntu team's two choices where, A) not support Intel graphics chips at all, or B) ship the broken driver they get from the equipment manufacturer. There is no option C, so pick A or B. Maybe they should've been some kind of warning dialog, something like, "oh, hey, we've detected you have an intel chip, which doesn't work. We've disabled it; you can click here to enable it, but be aware that your system may melt. Please call Intell and ask them to supply us with a driver that works." Even if they had done that, you'd still be back to that fundamental question of, "enable the broken driver or have no 3D acceleration" for the immediate future.
RE[6]: Windows market share
by archiesteel on Thu 5th Nov 2009 22:15
in reply to "RE[5]: Windows market share"
Member since:2005-07-02
"Finger-pointing is the usual response from the Linux community, and you fall in line like a perfect little monkey."
That doesn't sound very professional, Thom.
I thought this web site had grown out of its blog mentality, but it seems not.
Also, why do you blame the Linux community for a bug that only affects Ubuntu (and only with the gm45 chipset)?
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That's just one of the countless ways the problem acts out. Some people have it crashing during install, others during live CD, and again others during the first few minutes of use. Others, even, during the use of specific applications. It happens on fresh installs as well as dist-upgraded ones.
The common denominator? Intel video chips.
Finger-pointing is the usual response from the Linux community, and you fall in line like a perfect little monkey. If the current Intel video driver is to blame (which I doubt, since this problem is Ubuntu-specific) then Ubuntu should ship with a driver that DOES work. That is their responsibility.
Imagine going to restaurant, and then ordering a nice dinner. However, the meat is completely rotten, and tastes like vomit. Would you accept it when the chef says: "hey, my meat guy shipped me this rotten meat. Go complain to him, it's his fault."?
Of course you wouldn't. You would ask the chef why he didn't use some other meat.
Edited 2009-11-03 09:33 UTC