Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 2nd Nov 2009 23:59 UTC
Windows 7 has been out and about for little over a week now, and as it turns out, Microsoft's new baby is doing relatively well. That is, according to the figures by NetApplications: Windows 7 already reached the 3% mark this weekend, and is already closing in on the 4% mark.
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RE[18]: Windows market share
by tomcat on Thu 5th Nov 2009 10:46
in reply to "RE[17]: Windows market share"
Member since:2006-01-06
I'm quoting from the article you posted:
Todd Finch, Dell senior product marketing manager, said the number of Linux returns are approximately the same as those for Windows netbooks.
He didn't say percentage. He said number. Spin it any way you like. The fact is that Linux netbooks are returned twice as much as Windows netbooks. LOL!
Being forbidden doesn't stop Microsoft from doing it, however.
You keep saying this, and multiple people besides myself have asked you for evidence, but you can't deliver. Why not simply admit that you're lying? Anyone still reading this thread by now knows it. Purge your sins. Confess.
Oh, it can. MS-spec'd hardware is actually an overkill for Linux. It actually pushes the price of netbooks up higher than it needs to be.
Again, you're changing the subject. How does the MS hardware spec hinder Linux from running better on the same hardware? See what I mean? You want to claim that Ubuntu is being disadvantaged somehow but, at the same time, you want to claim that Linux runs better. You can't have it both ways. I'm just here to shine a light on the dung heap of an argument that you've made.
It makes the price higher than it needs to be. That is bad for consumers.
Dell offers a lower-cost netbook that runs Ubuntu. So, it's not as if consumers don't have a choice. It's no different than when you go to buy a car. I bought the BMW. You settled for the Yugo.
BTW ... 32% of the worldwide market this year for Linux is hardly a failure.
ABI hasn't released actual numbers, so it's impossible to verify. Domestically, in the US, Linux on netbooks accounts for less than 5% of the market. Which is why I never see anyone running it. As for abroad, it's highly likely that people are paving their netbooks with pirated copies of XP, not running Linux.
Now if it were only possible to somehow get through to those like you who will not listen, it would become possible to save you too a great deal of expense for your computing.
You're not going to convince me of anything until you start getting more reasonable. Making wild-assed claims without even the slightest amount of evidence isn't endearing anyone to your cause.
Edited 2009-11-05 11:02 UTC
RE[19]: Windows market share
by lemur2 on Thu 5th Nov 2009 11:02
in reply to "RE[18]: Windows market share"
Member since:2007-02-17
I'm quoting from the article you posted:
"Todd Finch, Dell senior product marketing manager, said the number of Linux returns are approximately the same as those for Windows netbooks.
"Todd Finch, Dell senior product marketing manager, said the number of Linux returns are approximately the same as those for Windows netbooks.
He didn't say percentage. He said number. Spin it any way you like. The fact is that Linux netbooks are returned twice as much as Windows netbooks. LOL! "
Pffft.
For every link you find where it was misreported, I can point to a hundred quotes that say otherwise.
"Not a problem".
"Not an issue".
"Same return rate for Linux as Windows".
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=dell+finch+return+netbooks&ie=utf...
LOL indeed.
My but you Windows supporters are getting desperate.
You're not going to convince me of anything until you start getting more reasonable. Making wild-assed claims without even the slightest amount of evidence isn't endearing anyone to your cause.
Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil ... where evil is tautologically defined defined as a bad word against Microsoft.
Sigh!
The three monkeys would be smarter than you, I'm afraid.
Edited 2009-11-05 11:12 UTC
RE[19]: Windows market share
by lemur2 on Thu 5th Nov 2009 11:31
in reply to "RE[18]: Windows market share"
Member since:2007-02-17
ABI hasn't released actual numbers, so it's impossible to verify. Domestically, in the US, Linux on netbooks accounts for less than 5% of the market. Which is why I never see anyone running it. As for abroad, it's highly likely that people are paving their netbooks with pirated copies of XP, not running Linux.
Crikey mate, "in the US" is not domestically. I live down under, I'm an Ozzie. Over here, people wipe machines formerly infested with Windows and its copious malware, and install Linux to get them working nicely.
http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/20090318-koga...
Netbook designed in Australia by user survey, ends up with Ubuntu derivative OS. I'm typing this meassage on a Kogan Agora Pro netbook. It is now running Kubuntu 9.10. Very nicely.
As for worldwide, in the "broadest" of all possible markets, they are not nearly as stupid as the domestic US market, it would seem.
Deal with it.
Edited 2009-11-05 11:50 UTC
Member since:
2007-02-17
And this is somehow supposed to be a selling point for Linux-based netbooks? "
No, it is a comment on the stupidity of some OEMs. When MSI designed their U90 netbook, the only OS that it would run was Linux (as XP was being withdrawn). Yet they designed in a wireless chip that had only an experimental Linux driver, even though there were plenty of other wireless chips they could have used without a problem.
How stupid was that? THEN they complained that people were returning their MSI netbooks because of flaky wireless! Der!
Let's put this in terms you can understand. By your own admission, Dell sells Windows on about 70% of all netbooks today. That's over twice the number of Linux netbooks sold. [Personally, I think the percentage of Windows-based netbooks in the broader market is probably closer to 95%. But I digress.] "
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140343/Linux_s_share_of_net...
68%, but we digress.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/dell_reality_linux_windows_...
Dell said "return rate".
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/dell-refutes-high-linux-netbook-...
Yep. "return rate" is what Dell's Finch said.
Being forbidden doesn't stop Microsoft from doing it, however.
Oh, it can. MS-spec'd hardware is actually an overkill for Linux. It actually pushes the price of netbooks up higher than it needs to be.
Again, so what. Microsoft's hardware spec doesn't preclude Linux from competing. It either works -- or it doesn't. If you don't think it works, then take your ball and go home. Otherwise, stop blaming MS for failure of Linux to own the netbook market. "
It makes the price higher than it needs to be. That is bad for consumers.
Oh, and it makes the performance way worse. If an SSD was just flash memory with a direct block I/O to a CPU bus, with the wear-levelling built into the filesystem, then it would be far faster than a hard disk.
Instead, to accommodate Microsoft OSes lack of a wear-levelling filesystem, SSDs are built with a microcontroller to do the wear-levelling, which slows it all own.
BTW ... 32% of the worldwide market this year for Linux is hardly a failure. Now if it were only possible to somehow get through to those like you who will not listen, it would become possible to save you too a great deal of expense for your computing.
Edited 2009-11-05 10:10 UTC