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Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y There's no right way to do it, only ideas that are better than others in certain situations. But if you had the opportunity to head up the design of a new OS, one to Put Things Right, one that could be radical enough to varnish out those UI/X bumps that have clung on for years, but practical enough to be used every day, what would you design? How would you handle application management? What about file types and compatibility? Where would you cherry pick the best bits from other OSes and where would you throw away tradition? I've tackled this challenge for myself and present (an unfinished idea): KrocOS (warning: HTML5 site, will display without CSS in IE/older browsers). OSnews Asks: What would make your perfect OS?
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RE[8]: Why was he modded down?
by tomcat on Sun 8th Nov 2009 04:14 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Why was he modded down? "
tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

I wont repeat myself further, but I will just say this.

Hardware vendors can and do release specs without harming their business. Open drivers are better for many reasons, both technical and social, and in kernel drivers are even better than that. There is no need for proprietary drivers.

You and others insist on arguing the benefits of proprietary drivers. If you would like to talk about benefits of a stable ABI that do not involve supporting the evil that is proprietary software I would be happy to listen.

There is no benefit to any proprietary software. Everything ought to be Free software. This movement was started by idealists and will not be perverted while we exist. Do not disguise your motives; if you mean to support proprietary software at the expense of Free software, so be it. You will find few supporters in the community. Do not pretend that there is some technical merit to a stable ABI.


When you refer to proprietary software as "evil", it's pretty clear that you have a distorted sense of reality. There's no reason why open source and proprietary software can't live side-by-side. Neither is "evil" in any sense, and demonizing either is childish and short-sighted.

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

I am using inflammatory language because you seem to be deliberately missing the point. Such language makes it unambiguous what I am saying. A stable kernel ABI promotes proprietary software and this is a problem, not an advantage.

We can debate the nuances of antisocial, evil and so forth at another time. It remains my belief that proprietary software is not good and should not exist in any form. Allowing peaceful co-existence with proprietary software that exists already is acceptable, but promoting the creation of (and reliance on) more proprietary software is not good and is probably malicious.

I know you do not agree. I am just informing you: The people who want Free software for the sake of Free software are not nutcases and cannot simply be ignored because you don't care about the cause. It is they (and I) who object to a stable ABI on idealistic grounds and since you do not provide a technical reason to have one, one should not be added.

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MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

The people who want Free software for the sake of Free software [..] cannot simply be ignored


Sure they can. Common desktop users ignore Linux and their religious behaviour all the time (and vice versa, since fundamentalistic Linux developers ignore common desktop users needs all the time, too) ..

It is they (and I) [..]


How do you know? Somehow, the proof that Betrand Russel and the pope are one comes to my mind when reading such baseless statements ..


[..] who object to a stable ABI on idealistic grounds [..]


Now this if funny. I thought Linux is about free software and not about an instable ABI. So having an unstable ABI is what makes Linux free?
Maybe you should go to an ashram and invest some time to think about a world that does not match (and never will) your idealistic view ..

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I know you do not agree. I am just informing you: The people who want Free software for the sake of Free software are not nutcases and cannot simply be ignored because you don't care about the cause. It is they (and I) who object to a stable ABI on idealistic grounds and since you do not provide a technical reason to have one, one should not be added.


That is amazing dude. People who say stuff like that shouldn't be ignored, they should be mocked first for being so ridicules.

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