Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 13:20 UTC, submitted by SReilly
Gnome As most of you will know, the GNOME team is hard at work on GNOME 3.0, the first major overhaul of the platform since 2002. The release of GNOME 3.0 was originally planned for March 2010, but it has now been pushed back for six months to September 2010.
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RE[5]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt
Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe from the developer point of view it was a success. But for the point of view of a humble user, it was a complete disaster.

Stop writing such bullsh*t. The only distro which went for KDE 4.0 exclusively was Fedora. All other distros either stayed with KDE 3.5 (eg. Debian and PCLinuxOS) or made a KDE 4 version optionally available (eg. Kubuntu, openSUSE).
Don't pretend as users were not warned of KDE 4.0's immaturity: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg

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RE[6]: Comment by lithium
by haakin on Wed 11th Nov 2009 16:06 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by lithium"
haakin Member since:
2008-12-18

I waited until KDE 4.1 was released before start using KDE 4. According to the press release (http://kde.org/announcements/4.1/):

"July 29, 2008. The KDE Community today released KDE 4.1.0. This release is the second feature release of the KDE 4 series, sporting new applications and newly developed features on top of the Pillars of KDE4. KDE 4.1 is the first KDE4 release to contain the Personal Information Management suite KDE-PIM with its E-Mail client KMail, the planner KOrganizer, Akregator, the RSS feed reader, KNode, the newsgroup reader and many more components integrated into the Kontact shell. Furthermore, the new desktop shell Plasma, introduced in KDE 4.0, has matured to the point where it can replace the KDE 3 shell for most casual users."

But it wasn't ready for users like me. And I'm a regular user, nothing extraordinary. I don't see the need to exaggerate in a Free software press release.

I just hope that the Gnome developer team has learnt one lesson or two and they don't commit the same mistakes.

Edited 2009-11-11 16:09 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 16:24 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Strage, how you missed the little word "most".

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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by sbenitezb on Wed 11th Nov 2009 19:46 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

I just hope that the Gnome developer team has learnt one lesson or two and they don't commit the same mistakes.


They will commit an even more horrendous mistake: gnome shell and further integration of monkey-mono shit into gnome 3.0. Good luck with that!

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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by segedunum on Thu 12th Nov 2009 01:07 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

But it wasn't ready for users like me. And I'm a regular user, nothing extraordinary. I don't see the need to exaggerate in a Free software press release.

Why not? Gnome has tended to do it for years. Whatever did happen to 10x10 I wonder? Where is the code for that?

So you decided to ditch what worked for you in the name of a press release, jumped into bed with a distribution that doesn't test its releases other than to do some vague version bumping (which is all of them) and you're bitching to the high heavens about it?

I just hope that the Gnome developer team has learnt one lesson or two and they don't commit the same mistakes.

Were you not around for Gnome 2.0's launch?

The problem is if they don't learn from KDE and have the courage to make the jump at some point as they did, and actually come up with a GTK 3 that would make Gnome 3 actually worth something, then Gnome 3 will merely be an inadequate version bump to try and give the impression that they're not seriously falling behind.

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RE[6]: Comment by lithium
by orestes on Wed 11th Nov 2009 17:41 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by lithium"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

Don't pretend that "warning" did a damn thing to deflect the negativity of end users, especially with development on the KDE3 branch effectively dead as soon as 4.0 hit. 4.x is just now starting to hit the level of maturity that should've been delivered in 4.1 and we're still missing major features.

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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 18:00 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

development on the KDE3 branch effectively dead as soon as 4.0 hit.

Next time, try harder to come up with a convincing lie. KDE 3.5.10 was released one month after KDE 4.1.0: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.10.php
KDE 3.5 still receives bugfixes. The last one is just eight days old: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/
The KDE 3.5-based "Enterprise" branch of KMail and the other PIM apps is still in very active development with the last bugfix less than one day old: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/kdepim/enterprise/

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RE[6]: Comment by lithium
by jibadeeha on Wed 11th Nov 2009 17:55 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by lithium"
jibadeeha Member since:
2009-08-10

"Maybe from the developer point of view it was a success. But for the point of view of a humble user, it was a complete disaster.

Stop writing such bullsh*t. The only distro which went for KDE 4.0 exclusively was Fedora. All other distros either stayed with KDE 3.5 (eg. Debian and PCLinuxOS) or made a KDE 4 version optionally available (eg. Kubuntu, openSUSE).
Don't pretend as users were not warned of KDE 4.0's immaturity: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OS11.0-inst-6.jpg
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He never even mentioned distributions and he didn't pretend users were not warned of KDE 4.0's immaturity, so don't attack somebody (e.g. "stop writing such bullsh*t") when you haven't properly read his posting.

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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 18:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

He never even mentioned distributions

So "humble users" compile KDE from source instead of acquiring it from a distributor?

He wrote that for "humble users" KDE 4.0 was a "disaster", even though most normal users did never even see KDE 4.0, because except Fedora (and in that case only the KDE spin) no distro adopted KDE 4.0 as its default desktop.

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