Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 13:20 UTC, submitted by SReilly
Gnome As most of you will know, the GNOME team is hard at work on GNOME 3.0, the first major overhaul of the platform since 2002. The release of GNOME 3.0 was originally planned for March 2010, but it has now been pushed back for six months to September 2010.
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sbenitezb
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2005-07-22

Linus abandoned KDE, and the userbase share is decreasing after this KDE community move: one of the stupidiest ones made in open source community.


Who cares about Linus preferred desktop. I don't think the userbase is decreasing. Take a look at all the available distros. Most of them come with gnome as default. That's where the gnome users come from (all those Ubuntu kids). There are no realistic metrics to measure desltop adoption. For sure, there are better Qt based apps (and some of them also KDE) that Gtk/Gnome.

2) GNOME 2.x while not being the hottest "major" desktop left for us to use, commits a deadly sin, treating every user like a plain silly dumb. I still don't know why the heck Nautilus is the default file manager on this desktop.


For some reason, I always liked Nautilus. That's why I love Dolphin, except it's way more powerfull.

Take as an example the Chrome browser - it's definitely a Firefox/Opera killer. And it amazes me that neither Opera or Mozilla community ever thought of the changes Chrome introduced. We were going to be doomed for years, by these mediocre browsers.


Wow, how unfair. You know most things Chrome has are copied from Opera? Google just took what others provided and invented and refined in a "better" browser.

I do hope Chrome OS will make Ubuntu and Fedora regret for investing so much in GNOME.


They can't be compared. I mean, being Chrome a browser, how can it compete with non browser based applications?

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Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

Who cares about Linus preferred desktop. I don't think the userbase is decreasing


Linus usually is right about his decisions. Abandoning KDE was an alive proof that the highest linux entity could not bear the "clever" changes KDE geeks made. And yes, the userbase is decreasing, Kubuntu has been going on a downward spiral, serious enough for them to publish in their homepage that they must do something about it. This is because of KDE4. People are going away from KDE4. No matter what KDE4 fanboys scream out there.


For some reason, I always liked Nautilus. That's why I love Dolphin, except it's way more powerfull.


It's so powerful, I can't even use it. There are 3 panels, a lot of vertical text, and have you tried copy files from a samba share in Konqui or Dolphin? Files don't even get fully copied. At least Nautilus does this well. In my honest opinion, KDE4 and their file managers just try to "get close as possible to Windows Vista/7 but not that in your face, to at least say, hey we're not windows at all"


Wow, how unfair. You know most things Chrome has are copied from Opera? Google just took what others provided and invented and refined in a "better" browser.


Someone has invented the ball, right? But the someone later created football (soccer). I don't care if Opera created tabs - the truth is that this browser never handled 80% of webpages out there, while Firefox did at least 95%. Chrome is a refined idea of what others almost got right, but never quite right.

They can't be compared. I mean, being Chrome a browser, how can it compete with non browser based applications?


The ideas can be compared. If Google does the same thing in Chrome OS, as they did with Chrome Browser, I think Ubuntu and Fedora, GNOME and KDE are going to lose a lot, and I mean a lot. There will be no room anymore for recovering userbase, after Microsoft Windows finds a real strong balanced open source competitor.

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Linus usually is right about his decisions. Abandoning KDE was an alive proof that the highest linux entity could not bear the "clever" changes KDE geeks made.

He couldn't bear the buggy 4.0 in fedora. I'm not surprised, for me 4.2 was the first version fit for daily use (I use Ubuntu). This tells nothing about the long term viability of the kde4 platform.

This is pretty elementary stuff, surely there should be no need to explain this over and over again.

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

Linus usually is right about his decisions.


He is in no way a representative of all Linux users.

Abandoning KDE was an alive proof that the highest linux entity could not bear the "clever" changes KDE geeks made


No. It is only proof that he did't read the KDE 4.0 release. It is obvious he installed it (as I did) and then regreted for it not being usable enough. Surprise surprise... In the meanwhile, he went to Gnome, the desktop that he had touted as "for idiots". That says it all.

And yes, the userbase is decreasing, Kubuntu has been going on a downward spiral,


How interesting... Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the only distros now? There's a reason for Kubuntu to be a mess: it doesn't have as much support and as many developers as Ubuntu has. Should it be the other way around and it would certainly shine. Gnome would be nothing without Ubuntu support.

serious enough for them to publish in their homepage that they must do something about it.


Sure they do. But it's their fault their distro sucks for being too oriented towards Gnome. You can't have it all.

This is because of KDE4.


No it isn't. It's because Ubuntu has all the developers working on Gnome.

People are going away from KDE4. No matter what KDE4 fanboys scream out there.


And people are going away from Gnome too. The fact is I don't care as long as KDE developers keep doing an excellent job.

It's so powerful, I can't even use it.


Linus said Gnome is for idiots, so there you have it.

There are 3 panels


You can have more or less or none if you want.

, a lot of vertical text


Where? What's the problem? Can't you read more than a line of text?

, and have you tried copy files from a samba share in Konqui or Dolphin?


Yes, never had a problem. Maybe you have to check your distro configuration of samba?

Files don't even get fully copied.


So because you have a problem, then the whole program is doomed?

In my honest opinion, KDE4 and their file managers just try to "get close as possible to Windows Vista/7


They are file managers, they existed before Windows in a form or another. How exactly Konqueror or Dolphin have some resemblance to the Windows filemanagers other that they both "manage files"?

Someone has invented the ball, right? But the someone later created football (soccer). I don't care if Opera created tabs - the truth is that this browser never handled 80% of webpages out there, while Firefox did at least 95%. Chrome is a refined idea of what others almost got right, but never quite right.


Quite interesting. It seems the world wide web is perfect now thanks to google and its browser. Thank god! I'll see you when the next big browser comes out and you can't stop difamating the others that preceded it.

The ideas can be compared. If Google does the same thing in Chrome OS, as they did with Chrome Browser, I think Ubuntu and Fedora, GNOME and KDE are going to lose a lot, and I mean a lot. There will be no room anymore for recovering userbase, after Microsoft Windows finds a real strong balanced open source competitor.


But how a web browser is going to provide what real desktop applications provide today with more desktop integration, speed, responsiveness...? I see Chrome OS is an interesting idea that may flourish. But do you really want a web only OS?

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