Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 20:40 UTC
Windows Okay, so this is new. When it comes to graphical user interfaces, everyone is copying everyone, but you'll always find supporters of platform Abc claiming platform Xyz is stealing from them - and vice versa. Mac supporters have often stated that Vista and Windows 7 were copying from Apple, and according to Microsoft's partner group manager, Simon Aldous, this is true. Wait, what?
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haus
Member since:
2009-08-18

"in what ways is Windows similar to Mac OS X?"

These are the obvious references I spoke of and have been rehashed to death time and time again. Frankly I'm surprised that you require reminding considering this is a topic that is repeated so commonly on sites such as this. Here's a short list: Mouse Cursor, folders, icons, desktop metaphor, trash can, drop-down menus etc.

Perhaps you feel that the debate is mitigated because Apple purchased very basic UI concepts from Xerox and built on those? First, is that "stealing" if they acquired something by way of compensation. Secondly, the UI concepts that Xerox had developed were so far removed from what eventually shipped in the first Mac OS that I'm always surprised that anyone would make such a case if they knew the history. Being the editor of a semi popular OS blog, I would assume that you do in fact know the history, so I'll assume that you forgot about all those similarities that Microsoft stole from Apple.



"in what ways is 7 similar to Snow Leopard?"

I mentioned that these items are far less specific and thus don't warrant a bulleted list. With that said, they already said that OS X was their inspiration for 7 so this is not something that even needs to be debated anyways. There are however some obvious things that were direct lifts from OS X. A couple are the dock and stacks. Though it could be argued that they did make some improvements on these, to suggest that these two weren't inspired by OS X is delusional... especially so when they already said as much.


"Since you claim it's so obvious: please enlighten a poor sod like me."

I said what was obvious was the similarities between Windows and Macintosh. Not the similarities between the more recent changes that took place in 7 as compared to Leopard and Snow Leopard.

Edited 2009-11-11 21:59 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Anyways, here's a short list: Mouse Cursor, folders, icons, desktop metaphor, trash can, drop-down menus etc.


ah, so we're back in the '80s. I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support.

Just some random things.

I said what was obvious was the similarities between Windows and Macintosh.


Uhm, the article even clearly mentions that: in the grand scheme of things, Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME are pretty much the exact same thing. If you can use Windows, you can use the others too without any problems, and vice versa.

However, within the boundaries set by these UIs themselves, the differences between Windows and Mac OS X are quite blatant in almost every way - I'll rehash the list again: Aero doesn't look anything like Aqua, application management on Windows is different, file management is different, and most importantly, the approach to document vs. application is decidedly different.

And here we are, still nothing that shows the validity of the claim that Windows 7 copied Mac OS X in any significant way.

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haus Member since:
2009-08-18

"ah, so we're back in the '80s."

The point was whether Microsoft had a history of copying interfaces. You had implied they didn't.


"I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support."

First of all, these aren't interfaces, second, Microsoft simply released these technologies before Apple. They didn't create them. Apple didn't copy them. Apple was held back by an outdated OS. With that said, NeXT was first to incorporate those technologies anyways. Considering that OS X *IS* NeXT, your watered down attempt to illustrate copying on Apple's part is even more mitigated.



"Uhm, the article even clearly mentions that: in the grand scheme of things, Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME are pretty much the exact same thing. If you can use Windows, you can use the others too without any problems, and vice versa."

So, you're saying that because everyone has held Mac OS as the standard to attain that somehow that makes subsequent efforts to copy Apple's work a non issue?



"However, within the boundaries set by these UIs themselves, the differences between Windows and Mac OS X are quite blatant in almost every way"

I never said that there aren't differences.



"I'll rehash the list again: Aero doesn't look anything like Aqua, application management on Windows is different, file management is different, and most importantly, the approach to document vs. application is decidedly different."

Yet they did aspire to be Mac-like as was the whole point of the story to which my point was that this is simply something they have always done yet Microsoft apologists always denied.

Edited 2009-11-11 22:25 UTC

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sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

ah, so we're back in the '80s. I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support.


Wasn't all that invented by Intel?

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Are you claming that Microsoft invented protected-memory, SMP, etc? Whaaaaaa?

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wanker90210 Member since:
2007-10-26

ah, so we're back in the '80s. I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support.


I could be a complete wanker here & point out that Apple got these things from BSD and BSD had it before Msft so one could argue that Msft copied Apple here. But I don't want to be a wanker so I'm not going to do that.

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frajo Member since:
2007-06-29

ah, so we're back in the '80s. I can name a few things Apple copied from Microsoft, then: protected memory, pre-emptive multitasking, SMP support.

These are not MS inventions. OS/2 (and other OSs) had these features earlier.

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feld Member since:
2009-09-11

Protip: Apple's SMP support in OSX is from BSD. This predates Microsoft's existence.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Perhaps you feel that the debate is mitigated because Apple purchased very basic UI concepts from Xerox


Purchased? hahahahahahah

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