Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Nov 2009 16:22 UTC, submitted by diegocg
Fedora Core Fedora 12 has been released today. "I'm proud to announce the release of Fedora 12, the latest innovative Linux distribution from the Fedora Project, a global, collaborative partnership of free software community members sponsored by Red Hat."
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kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

Well, on every machine I ran Fedora (which I don't anymore) the heavy usage of the disk when applying updates really got on my nerves.

TBH I think Suses Delta-RPM (which Fedora now after a few years adopted) is a second-rate solution. Googles Courier patches are much nicer. I hope .deb based distros will skip this regenerating of packages idea and go right to a good solution. ( .. maybe ChromeOS will .. nobody (outside Google) knows .. )

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

when were you testing? for quite a while during the f12 rawhide cycle, deltas were using high xz compression, which was rather CPU-intensive. it was changed to use a lower compression level rather later in the cycle. you may have already given up by then.

edit: I see by your later reply you were basing your experience on f11. yes, things are different in f12, please do not judge based on f11 experience.

Edited 2009-11-17 18:23 UTC

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

OK, so the delta can now be applied right away? I thought you needed to generate the original RPM for security checks? Or is that now done completely in RAM? Convince me that it is now a sane solution and I might try it again.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Debian updates work very well as they are now, there is no reason to mess with aptitude at all.

Debian's superb package management is one of the reasons that I moved to it years ago, as at the time, Fedora's was a mess. They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt."

What do you mean by 'this'?

I really don't get the big hoohaa over package management. Took me about two days to switch from urpmi to yum. Figured out what the equivalent commands were and it was fine. I don't sit there with a stopwatch figuring out which is faster, they both get the job done. *shrug*

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Fedora's was a mess. They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.

A firehose is a firehose. Oh... you can compress the stream however you want. Or you can separate out only the new breakage, and send that compressed, to be combined with the original good stuff and old, unfixed, breakage on the client side. But the end result has the same problems, plus any new problems introduced by the shiny new delivery system. The churn problem is preserved by the process, and made worse by something akin to the second law of thermodynamics.

I'm sure that your Debian's updates are better than Fedoras. But pretty much any distro's updates are. We've all simply escaped in different directions.

Edited 2009-11-17 23:09 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I give you one thing that bothers me about apt. "Reading database..." takes forever.

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gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.


Having fun trolling?

- Gilboa

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