Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Nov 2009 16:22 UTC, submitted by diegocg
Fedora Core Fedora 12 has been released today. "I'm proud to announce the release of Fedora 12, the latest innovative Linux distribution from the Fedora Project, a global, collaborative partnership of free software community members sponsored by Red Hat."
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BluenoseJake
Member since:
2005-08-11

Debian updates work very well as they are now, there is no reason to mess with aptitude at all.

Debian's superb package management is one of the reasons that I moved to it years ago, as at the time, Fedora's was a mess. They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt."

What do you mean by 'this'?

I really don't get the big hoohaa over package management. Took me about two days to switch from urpmi to yum. Figured out what the equivalent commands were and it was fine. I don't sit there with a stopwatch figuring out which is faster, they both get the job done. *shrug*

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

What do you mean by 'this'?

Fedora updates not only consume far more bandwidth and time, but break the system far more often due to their extreme volume. The Fedora folks are trying to address the time and bandwidth issue with Presto, with results which remain to be evaluated, but have pretty much ignored the real problem of cavalierly issuing massive volumes of updates from a large number of third parties, who implement widely varying degrees of QA quality. They simply trust the third parties on their users' behalf, and call it "staying close to upstream". Breakage that trades processor for banwidth is still breakgage.

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

It has nothing to do with speed of updates, so much as the entire rpm system. At the time I switched, Apt had much better dependency tracking, and the Debian repositories kick ass, the system just worked better.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Fedora's was a mess. They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.

A firehose is a firehose. Oh... you can compress the stream however you want. Or you can separate out only the new breakage, and send that compressed, to be combined with the original good stuff and old, unfixed, breakage on the client side. But the end result has the same problems, plus any new problems introduced by the shiny new delivery system. The churn problem is preserved by the process, and made worse by something akin to the second law of thermodynamics.

I'm sure that your Debian's updates are better than Fedoras. But pretty much any distro's updates are. We've all simply escaped in different directions.

Edited 2009-11-17 23:09 UTC

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Oh, I'm not arguing that at all, just puttin' in my 2 cents worth.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I give you one thing that bothers me about apt. "Reading database..." takes forever.

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gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

They've been trying to fix it forever,a nd this is just another attempt.


Having fun trolling?

- Gilboa

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BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

This is not a troll, this is what my experience with Fedora has been. If that is what defines trolling nowadays, so be it.

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