Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Nov 2009 20:01 UTC
Google Google has just unveiled its Chrome OS operating system during a press event at the company's headquarters, and it's pretty much exactly what we expected it to be: a streamlined Linux kernel booting straight into the Chrome web browser. The code is available starting today.
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Who cares about boot times
by nt_jerkface on Fri 20th Nov 2009 05:08 UTC in reply to "RE: speed "
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

when everyone uses sleep/resume.

But more importantly I could care less about instant boot if it means booting into a desktop that requires internet access.

ChromeOS has to be one of the most overhyped operating systems of all time. The new graphics stack turned out to be a rumor.

It's a Linux distro that locks you into the browser. Amazing!

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RE: Who cares about boot times
by galvanash on Fri 20th Nov 2009 08:49 in reply to "Who cares about boot times"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

when everyone uses sleep/resume.


You do realize sleep/resume could just as easily be implemented on Chrome OS as anything else... And it could be implemented so that if you switched computers you could resume your last session on a different machine. Try that with a conventional OS. People's inability to fathom how far this paradigm can actually go amazes me...

But more importantly I could care less about instant boot if it means booting into a desktop that requires internet access.


Then stick with your existing desktop/whatever. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But many people (including me) really don't see the point of even using a computer without the internet.

ChromeOS has to be one of the most overhyped operating systems of all time. The new graphics stack turned out to be a rumor.

It's a Linux distro that locks you into the browser. Amazing!


Everyone says the next big thing is overhyped prior to it becoming the next big thing... We'll see. And PLEASE dont refer to it as a linux distro - it is NOT a linux distro. The Linux kernel is an implementation detail, it could just as easily be run on top of BSD or something completely custom built. It has no application binary interface - it is an OS designed to run a browser stack and that is all it runs. I'm not trying to dis Linux by saying that either, Linux happens to be the best available option. But an OS that only runs a browser only needs to care about running the browser - the stuff under the hood is subject to change. As time goes by I predict the stuff under the hood WILL change - probably drastically. Google will hack it down to the bare minimum as they figure out which parts they can whittle away... X is a convenient starting point for a graphics stack - by not committing their ABI to it they can hack it off at will.

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Google will hack it down to the bare minimum as they figure out which parts they can whittle away... X is a convenient starting point for a graphics stack - by not committing their ABI to it they can hack it off at will.


Perhaps we could have the first real use case for Wayland here?

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"when everyone uses sleep/resume.


You do realize sleep/resume could just as easily be implemented on Chrome OS as anything else... And it could be implemented so that if you switched computers you could resume your last session on a different machine. Try that with a conventional OS. People's inability to fathom how far this paradigm can actually go amazes me...
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Yes, there are definite benefits to thin-client computing or remote desktop connections like RDP/VNC/NX.

We implemented NX on all of our school servers. This allows staff and students to access the same desktop and applications from home, from a laptop, from a hotel room, from Beijing, etc as they access when sitting in front of a computer at school (we use a diskless setup for the computers in the schools, though, not thin-client).

It's actually starting to give us a bad name, though, as staff and students move to other districts and realise just how limiting "local apps" can be. No longer can they access their school account from home. No longer can they login to any computer in the school to access their account. No longer can they use a laptop to access their account. Everything is tied into the one computer (unless their new school is fortunate enough to have a network share for files).

That's one of the nice things about web apps: ubiquitous access. You can access your webmail account from any computer, anywhere in the world, so long as it has an Internet connection. You can access your web photo album from anywhere. You can access your web documents from anywhere. You can access your music from anywhere. And so on.

As long as the web servers support standard protocols for accessing your data (and this is why FirstClass is doomed to failure in the web world), does it really matter where it is located? If you are paranoid, then just encrypt everything you store on remote servers.

Do web apps appeal to geeks? To some, they do. To others they don't. Do they appeal to non-geeks? To some, they do, to others they don't. Just like everything in life, to each their own.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

when everyone uses sleep/resume.You do realize sleep/resume could just as easily be implemented on Chrome OS as anything else...


The point was that boot times are not as relevent as they used to be when people rarely cold boot with laptops.


People's inability to fathom how far this paradigm can actually go amazes me...

I'm amazed by people that don't realize this is just Google trying to push a Linux distro that is just a browser built around their web apps.

But many people (including me) really don't see the point of even using a computer without the internet.


Because most applications don't require internet access.

And PLEASE dont refer to it as a linux distro - it is NOT a linux distro. The Linux kernel is an implementation detail, it could just as easily be run on top of BSD or something completely custom built.


But it isn't BSD, it's the Linux kernel and until they fork it I will refer to it as a Linux distro. Why shouldn't I? Because they have a custom interface?


It has no application binary interface - it is an OS designed to run a browser stack and that is all it runs.


It has an abi but only Google is allowed to use it. It's a Linux distro that locks you into a custom browser. Sorry but this is not a revolutionary OS.

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cycoj Member since:
2007-11-04

"when everyone uses sleep/resume.


You do realize sleep/resume could just as easily be implemented on Chrome OS as anything else... And it could be implemented so that if you switched computers you could resume your last session on a different machine. Try that with a conventional OS.
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Sleep/resume would be pointless on ChromeOS. Firstly you would disable the builtin security. Secondly, there's absolutely no point in restoring the data which was in memory. All data is in the cloud already!. Finally I doubt that it would actually speed up the boot process.


People's inability to fathom how far this paradigm can actually go amazes me...


Yes thinclients can have interesting applications, ChromeOS is a crippled thinclient, which can only connect to webservices.


"But more importantly I could care less about instant boot if it means booting into a desktop that requires internet access.


Then stick with your existing desktop/whatever. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But many people (including me) really don't see the point of even using a computer without the internet.

ChromeOS has to be one of the most overhyped operating systems of all time. The new graphics stack turned out to be a rumor.

It's a Linux distro that locks you into the browser. Amazing!


Everyone says the next big thing is overhyped prior to it becoming the next big thing... We'll see. And
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But the thing is browser only linux distros have been around longer than ChromeOS. What Google is doing here is nothing exceptionally new, but somehow the same people who were previously saying "who would ever want something like that" are now falling all over themselves on Googles "paradigm-shift".


PLEASE dont refer to it as a linux distro - it is NOT a linux distro. The Linux kernel is an implementation detail, it could just as easily be run on top of BSD or something completely custom built. It has no application binary interface - it is an OS designed to run a browser stack and that is all it runs. I'm not trying to dis Linux by saying that either, Linux happens to be the best available option. But an OS that only runs a browser only needs to care about running the browser - the stuff under the hood is subject to change. As time goes by I predict the stuff under the hood WILL change - probably drastically. Google will hack it down to the bare minimum as they figure out which parts they can whittle away... X is a convenient starting point for a graphics stack - by not committing their ABI to it they can hack it off at will.

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