Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Nov 2009 14:58 UTC
In the News It is no secret that Microsoft is doing whatever it can to eat away at Google's immense market share of the search market, with Bing being its most ambitious effort yet. Well, it seems the battle just got a whole lot dirtier, as The Financial Times has uncovered news that Microsoft has approached several news content providers, offering them money if they "de-index" their sites from Google.
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RE[2]: Buisness in the US
by Praxis on Mon 23rd Nov 2009 16:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Buisness in the US"
Praxis
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2009-09-17

While I have no real objection to google somehow loosing marketshare by competition, I do have a problem with the internet becoming less open. I do not want to see sections of the internet becoming walled off behind bing or google or whoever pays the most money. Heck stuff like this is what people made people scared of a search monopoly in the first place, they just never though it wouldn't come from the guy in first. If this deal of goes through I won't be using Bing. Though as aside if this actually happened I don't think I would notice without being told, I don't search for news corp websites in the search engine, I search for current stories and go to the ones that are near the top of the list, whoever they may be, if I wanted a specific site I would have gone to that site first and not bothered with the search engine.

Also I'm wondering how much Microsoft is gonna have to pay these guys, their business model is dying because the ad market has changed, not because of google search or google news (google ad sense on the other hand...) the money Mircosoft hands out is either going to be a drop in the bucket compared to their losses from dropping ad revenue and subscribers, or Microsoft will end up bankrolling the entire news industry, not just for America but for Europe as well since they have been just as mad at 'google' for 'killing' their business.. That could create its own problems with Microsoft having an unreasonable amount of control over the news industry. I am way more worried about all of this than google's search monopoly, they just sell ads and have no financial interest in who tops the search results, with Bing there will be a lot of money changing hands.

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RE[3]: Buisness in the US
by linumax on Mon 23rd Nov 2009 16:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Buisness in the US"
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2007-02-07

> If this deal of goes through I won't be using Bing.

Hyperbole, especially when stories like this concern Microsoft. I suppose you have already stopped using Google, have you? Because NYT, a vast amount of financial information, premium content etc. are already accessible through Google, while not freely or openly available. Ever noticed how Google news takes you to AP stories but you cannot access the same content through other search engines?

> That could create its own problems with Microsoft having an unreasonable amount of control over the news industry.

Microsoft (or any entity for that matter) is not powerful enough to hold any significant control over news media on the Internet, which is designed to evade control. They could be just a minor inconvenience to Google and nothing more.

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RE[4]: Buisness in the US
by Praxis on Mon 23rd Nov 2009 17:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Buisness in the US"
Praxis Member since:
2009-09-17


Hyperbole, especially when stories like this concern Microsoft. I suppose you have already stopped using Google, have you? Because NYT, a vast amount of financial information, premium content etc. are already accessible through Google, while not freely or openly available. Ever noticed how Google news takes you to AP stories but you cannot access the same content through other search engines?ust a minor inconvenience to Google and nothing more.


I agree that was unjustifiable hyperbole, mostly because I don't use bing now, so my vow to never use them if they do this is pretty hollow and childish. Regarding the AP issue, didn't google just buy access to the AP news feed like every other news organization in the country. I have no issue with paywalls even if I don't like them myself. If Murdock wants to put all his stuff behind a paywall fine, its a very good way to accurately value your content. The wsj has managed to do well, because they do produce valuable content. Its the segregation of content that is usually freely available that bothers me, it undermines the entire purpose of search engines, though I would say that most of my objections are from the possible reprocussions of the deal and not strictly the deal itself, I don't think the government should stop the deal or regulate it or anything. Its just that this deal holds no benefit to the consumer, and so as a consumer I don't like it. The possible influence Microsoft will hold over the news industry depends entirely on how much money is going to be changing hands. If you don't believe Murdock and therefore NewsCorp can be bought then we are operating under some pretty different world views. Obviously there is now way Mircosoft could have such influence over every news organization, there are just too many of them, but as Fox News shows, sometimes you only need one to manipulate the conversation.

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RE[4]: Buisness in the US
by Googol on Mon 23rd Nov 2009 17:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Buisness in the US"
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2006-11-24

I would have to agree to not wanting to use Bing.

It did a few times, but I am not happy with the results.

I feel a bit like getting custom seelcted rubbish reminding me on the stuff I would find through portal sites like MSN or YAhoo. I feel a lot better servered with Google still - MS will dumb down search results, that is what I am afraid of.

Of course I am pragmatic. If there is something I can't find with G., I 'd look at Bing -- but it is far too early to see how this pans out. Lets see what Google got up their sleeves in reply, should we? Also, it might simply terribly backfire on them as it is - we don't know.

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RE[3]: Buisness in the US
by mabhatter on Tue 24th Nov 2009 04:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Buisness in the US"
mabhatter Member since:
2005-07-17

Also I'm wondering how much Microsoft is gonna have to pay these guys, their business model is dying because the ad market has changed, not because of google search or google news (google ad sense on the other hand...) the money Mircosoft hands out is either going to be a drop in the bucket compared to their losses from dropping ad revenue and subscribers, or Microsoft will end up bankrolling the entire news industry, not just for America but for Europe as well since they have been just as mad at 'google' for 'killing' their business.. That could create its own problems with Microsoft having an unreasonable amount of control over the news industry. I am way more worried about all of this than google's search monopoly, they just sell ads and have no financial interest in who tops the search results, with Bing there will be a lot of money changing hands.


Microsoft knows the writing is on the wall for selling OSes and Office software... it's not useful to update your OS and Office only every 5 years or so and Microsoft's business is built on a three year turn. If they can't lock customers into subscribing to software, they'll go the "XBox Live" route and have you subscribe to USE your computer at all... they'll get this by tying up as much content so you HAVE to subscribe.

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