Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE: Comment by Kroc
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:01 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

somebody else, at some point in the future will do it better? ...cant you alleast see the bias in your writing .. you are sitting there hopping for somebody to out do, for them not to gain any market..

opera may not be as popular as you other browsers, but it is the only browser that has had the biggest impact on browser UI .. can you mention mention two ideas that opera brought to the table and were adopted by other browers and GUI applications? ..i will start with tabs followed by thumbnailed most visited browser pages ...can you name one more?

what has firefox contributed in this front? what has safari? IE lately?

arent you somewhere in Europe? Opera is pretty popular in some countries in Europe ..you sound like an American blogger who thinks if something isnt popular in silicon valley, it is not popular anywhere else in the world

can you lay down the hate for a little while? its getting boring

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I’m British, and we take complaining to an art form.

Opera Unite has severe problems—the main two being that it goes through Opera proxies, and that there are terms and conditions that make it akin to the App Store—yet another walled garden. It’s a bad implementation, regardless of company.

Chrome is doing *way* more UI innovation than Opera is at the moment. Opera’s had its day, IMO.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

what has chrome does?

they removed the menu bar, you could have hide it in opera ages ago and create a shortcut key to show/hide it if you want

they moved around the tabs, opera created the whole concept of tabs

they removed the status bar ..you could have done that ages ago in all major browsers

the thing is ..opera could do 99.999% right and you will only mention about the missing 0.001%

...everybody needs a critic but your kind of criticism doesnt help ..it only adds to negativity and we all need a little bit less of that ...

to be a bit "fair and balanced", can you mention two things opera contributed in advancing the web experience?

this feature could be useless but atleast they are trying something ..what new front has firefox tried to persue lately?, what about safari? IE came with their accelerators ..who else came with what?

you loose your credibility mr.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Anon9 on Tue 24th Nov 2009 02:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Anon9 Member since:
2008-06-30

If I understand correctly, the proxy is only to ease dns/firewall issues. You can access the Unite server with your own domain name if you really want to pay for it. The proxy is a convenience which can be bypassed.

Also, I don't think there is anything to stop you from distributing Unite applications at your own website. It makes sense that Opera would have a minimum standard if the app is to be listed on their website.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by spiderman on Tue 24th Nov 2009 06:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


Chrome is doing *way* more UI innovation than Opera is at the moment. Opera’s had its day, IMO.

LOL, innovations like putting the tabs upside?

Edited 2009-11-24 06:44 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Stratoukos on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

the main two being that it goes through Opera proxies, and that there are terms and conditions that make it akin to the App Store


It doesn't go through Opera proxies. It goes through Opera proxies only if you cannot set port forwarding on your router to aid beginners that don't know how to do it.

As for their distribution policies, they do have something like an App store but it's not the only way of distributing Opera Unite apps. If you don't want to agree with their TOS you can just distribute your apps elsewhere.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by No it isnt on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Why do you sound like you've just deducted 50 IQ points every time you comment on Opera?

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Tuishimi on Tue 24th Nov 2009 07:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

you sound like an American blogger who thinks if something isnt popular in silicon valley, it is not popular anywhere else in the world

Ouch! Those close-minded Americans who think the world revolves around them are as bad as those snooty European elitists who know they are right and everyone else is wrong!

Jeez people, why can't we live together and accept that everyone is different, culturally, economically, religiously... etc. And some people are simply more opinionated than others, or voice their opinions more vehemently.

Anyway, I think it is great that Opera is still fighting and trying to stay in the game of innovation. It has to be hard with IE so entrenched, and Firefox running the flank.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by NeoX on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:13 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

..you sound like an American blogger who thinks if something isnt popular in silicon valley, it is not popular anywhere else in the world


Hey, no need to generalize and make assumptions about all Americans. I am an american and I do not feel this way about stuff from silicon valley. On the contrary, I think innovation can come from anywhere on the planet. So don't judge people based on their home country. Wow, is mankind ever going to stop this kind of judging?

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