Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

I’m British, and we take complaining to an art form.

Opera Unite has severe problems—the main two being that it goes through Opera proxies, and that there are terms and conditions that make it akin to the App Store—yet another walled garden. It’s a bad implementation, regardless of company.

Chrome is doing *way* more UI innovation than Opera is at the moment. Opera’s had its day, IMO.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

what has chrome does?

they removed the menu bar, you could have hide it in opera ages ago and create a shortcut key to show/hide it if you want

they moved around the tabs, opera created the whole concept of tabs

they removed the status bar ..you could have done that ages ago in all major browsers

the thing is ..opera could do 99.999% right and you will only mention about the missing 0.001%

...everybody needs a critic but your kind of criticism doesnt help ..it only adds to negativity and we all need a little bit less of that ...

to be a bit "fair and balanced", can you mention two things opera contributed in advancing the web experience?

this feature could be useless but atleast they are trying something ..what new front has firefox tried to persue lately?, what about safari? IE came with their accelerators ..who else came with what?

you loose your credibility mr.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 24th Nov 2009 08:35 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

There is a *big* difference between just hiding the menu bar, and removing it from existence.

to be a bit "fair and balanced", can you mention two things opera contributed in advancing the web experience?

1. The Acid 3 race.
2. HTML5/XForms Form controls

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Moochman on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Although it's true that Opera pioneered a lot of features, it seems to me that they're not on the cutting edge anymore. I would say Flock is the most innovative browser at the moment. It has built-in photo-sharing, Facebook, Twitter, blogging, RSS, and e-mail capabilities. I personally don't use Flock as I don't consider myself a heavy enough "social web" user, but for someone who is it's probably the best browser out there.

Firefox is the second most innovative, poised to become the most innovative. Behind the scenes, Mozilla is doing some *very* experimental, innovative stuff. Just take a look at Mozilla Labs:

http://mozillalabs.com/

Projects there include:

Ubiquity: Command-based shortcuts to speed up/automate common actions

Weave: Sync your browser profile across devices

Prism: Run web applications as desktop applications

Raindrop: A browser-based, universal messaging client (e-mail and IM) with a focus on intuitive simplicity and filtering personal e-mails from bulk e-mails

Snowl: RSS reader integrated into Firefox, with an emphasis on tracking online discussions

They also recently sponsored a competition for rethinking the design of tabbed browsing:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/mozilla-design-chal...

Their mobile browser also sports the most innovative mobile browser UI available:

http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/

On top of all that, Firefox has more innovative, amazing extensions than all other browsers combined, and they're all free. A few examples:

Scrapbook: Save and organize web pages or entire websites for viewing offline

Zotero: Save, organize and annotate web pages; specially targeted for use in research papers, with amazing support for citations.

Firebug: Invaluable tool for web developers, lets you view the structure of and modify elements of web pages dynamically

Adblock: Block ads

Sage: Very nice RSS reader

Meebo: Built-in universal instant messenger

...are just a few of the top ones off the top of my head. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

As for Chrome, it's fast and does a lot to help web developers, but you're right, its UI is hardly innovative.

Edited 2009-11-24 12:45 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Anon9 on Tue 24th Nov 2009 02:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Anon9 Member since:
2008-06-30

If I understand correctly, the proxy is only to ease dns/firewall issues. You can access the Unite server with your own domain name if you really want to pay for it. The proxy is a convenience which can be bypassed.

Also, I don't think there is anything to stop you from distributing Unite applications at your own website. It makes sense that Opera would have a minimum standard if the app is to be listed on their website.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by spiderman on Tue 24th Nov 2009 06:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


Chrome is doing *way* more UI innovation than Opera is at the moment. Opera’s had its day, IMO.

LOL, innovations like putting the tabs upside?

Edited 2009-11-24 06:44 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by REM2000 on Tue 24th Nov 2009 10:13 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

Not everything is about the UI. What chrome brings to the table is a lot of under the hood designs which bring chrome to be more of an OS to the internet.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Stratoukos on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

the main two being that it goes through Opera proxies, and that there are terms and conditions that make it akin to the App Store


It doesn't go through Opera proxies. It goes through Opera proxies only if you cannot set port forwarding on your router to aid beginners that don't know how to do it.

As for their distribution policies, they do have something like an App store but it's not the only way of distributing Opera Unite apps. If you don't want to agree with their TOS you can just distribute your apps elsewhere.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by No it isnt on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

Why do you sound like you've just deducted 50 IQ points every time you comment on Opera?

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