Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by mtzmtulivu on Tue 24th Nov 2009 01:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

what has chrome does?

they removed the menu bar, you could have hide it in opera ages ago and create a shortcut key to show/hide it if you want

they moved around the tabs, opera created the whole concept of tabs

they removed the status bar ..you could have done that ages ago in all major browsers

the thing is ..opera could do 99.999% right and you will only mention about the missing 0.001%

...everybody needs a critic but your kind of criticism doesnt help ..it only adds to negativity and we all need a little bit less of that ...

to be a bit "fair and balanced", can you mention two things opera contributed in advancing the web experience?

this feature could be useless but atleast they are trying something ..what new front has firefox tried to persue lately?, what about safari? IE came with their accelerators ..who else came with what?

you loose your credibility mr.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 24th Nov 2009 08:35 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

There is a *big* difference between just hiding the menu bar, and removing it from existence.

to be a bit "fair and balanced", can you mention two things opera contributed in advancing the web experience?

1. The Acid 3 race.
2. HTML5/XForms Form controls

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by ebasconp on Tue 24th Nov 2009 16:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09


1. The Acid 3 race.
2. HTML5/XForms Form controls


3. Tabbed browsing
4. "Speed dial" page
5. Mouse gestures

Edited 2009-11-24 16:52 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Moochman on Tue 24th Nov 2009 12:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Although it's true that Opera pioneered a lot of features, it seems to me that they're not on the cutting edge anymore. I would say Flock is the most innovative browser at the moment. It has built-in photo-sharing, Facebook, Twitter, blogging, RSS, and e-mail capabilities. I personally don't use Flock as I don't consider myself a heavy enough "social web" user, but for someone who is it's probably the best browser out there.

Firefox is the second most innovative, poised to become the most innovative. Behind the scenes, Mozilla is doing some *very* experimental, innovative stuff. Just take a look at Mozilla Labs:

http://mozillalabs.com/

Projects there include:

Ubiquity: Command-based shortcuts to speed up/automate common actions

Weave: Sync your browser profile across devices

Prism: Run web applications as desktop applications

Raindrop: A browser-based, universal messaging client (e-mail and IM) with a focus on intuitive simplicity and filtering personal e-mails from bulk e-mails

Snowl: RSS reader integrated into Firefox, with an emphasis on tracking online discussions

They also recently sponsored a competition for rethinking the design of tabbed browsing:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/mozilla-design-chal...

Their mobile browser also sports the most innovative mobile browser UI available:

http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/

On top of all that, Firefox has more innovative, amazing extensions than all other browsers combined, and they're all free. A few examples:

Scrapbook: Save and organize web pages or entire websites for viewing offline

Zotero: Save, organize and annotate web pages; specially targeted for use in research papers, with amazing support for citations.

Firebug: Invaluable tool for web developers, lets you view the structure of and modify elements of web pages dynamically

Adblock: Block ads

Sage: Very nice RSS reader

Meebo: Built-in universal instant messenger

...are just a few of the top ones off the top of my head. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

As for Chrome, it's fast and does a lot to help web developers, but you're right, its UI is hardly innovative.

Edited 2009-11-24 12:45 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by talaf on Tue 24th Nov 2009 13:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
talaf Member since:
2008-11-19

Although it's true that Opera pioneered a lot of features, it seems to me that they're not on the cutting edge anymore. I would say Flock is the most innovative browser at the moment. It has built-in photo-sharing, Facebook, Twitter, blogging, RSS, and e-mail capabilities. I personally don't use Flock as I don't consider myself a heavy enough "social web" user, but for someone who is it's probably the best browser out there.

Firefox is the second most innovative, poised to become the most innovative. Behind the scenes, Mozilla is doing some *very* experimental, innovative stuff. Just take a look at Mozilla Labs:

http://mozillalabs.com/

Projects there include:

Ubiquity: Command-based shortcuts to speed up/automate common actions

Weave: Sync your browser profile across devices

Prism: Run web applications as desktop applications

Raindrop: A browser-based, universal messaging client (e-mail and IM) with a focus on intuitive simplicity and filtering personal e-mails from bulk e-mails

Snowl: RSS reader integrated into Firefox, with an emphasis on tracking online discussions

They also recently sponsored a competition for rethinking the design of tabbed browsing:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/mozilla-design-chal...

Their mobile browser also sports the most innovative mobile browser UI available:

http://blog.pavlov.net/2009/03/17/fennec-1-beta-1/

On top of all that, Firefox has more innovative, amazing extensions than all other browsers combined, and they're all free. A few examples:

Scrapbook: Save and organize web pages or entire websites for viewing offline

Zotero: Save, organize and annotate web pages; specially targeted for use in research papers, with amazing support for citations.

Firebug: Invaluable tool for web developers, lets you view the structure of and modify elements of web pages dynamically

Adblock: Block ads

Sage: Very nice RSS reader

Meebo: Built-in universal instant messenger

...are just a few of the top ones off the top of my head. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

As for Chrome, it's fast and does a lot to help web developers, but you're right, its UI is hardly innovative.

Chrome UI is nothing new beyond the "tab on top" stuff. What good comes from removing the menu bar beyond eye candy? (and UI isn't all about eye candy, mind you).

Opera also has built in mail, RSS, and chat support since v9 at least, and though it could use some work, Opera mail is actually what I'd use if I didn't need heavy calendaring.

Opera Link works very well and share bookmarks, bars, research history, speed dial and so on across all your Opera instances.

Integrated debugging and developper support in Opera is supposedly good, though I'll admit I used it only once (and I barely do any web developpement).

I'd say they hold their own on the feature side. Now go kick some chrome ass on the speed side and it's all good ;)

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

<blockquote>Firefox is the second most innovative</blockquote>
Let's see...

<blockquote>Projects there include:

Ubiquity: Command-based shortcuts to speed up/automate common actions</blockquote>
This is like Opera's shortcuts and nicknames, but maybe more advanced.

<blockquote>Weave: Sync your browser profile across devices </blockquote>
Opera Link

<blockquote>Prism: Run web applications as desktop applications</blockquote>
Opera Widgets

<blockquote>Raindrop: A browser-based, universal messaging client (e-mail and IM) with a focus on intuitive simplicity and filtering personal e-mails from bulk e-mails </blockquote>
Er, how many IM websites are there? Lots.

<blockquote>Snowl: RSS reader integrated into Firefox, with an emphasis on tracking online discussions</blockquote>
Opera has had a real RSS reader for ages.

So basically, Opera does most of these, and has been doing them for ages, and Firefox is the innovative one? LOL.

<blockquote>Firefox has more innovative, amazing extensions than all other browsers combined</blockquote>
Ad blocking and an RSS reader? Instant messenger? LOL again.

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