Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Nov 2009 00:02 UTC
Opera Software The Opera team has released version 10.10 of their feature-rich browser. This is the first Opera release to come with Opera Unite, which combines the web browser with a web server, so that users can share data directly between one another, without the need for a third party.
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RE[2]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 18:50 UTC in reply to "RE: wow..."
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Servers are not super computers that control our lives. They are just like other computers, just running a certain kind of software. There is nothing unique about unite, peer to peer networks with limited decentralization have been around and quite popular for almost a decade. You have just the same amount of freedom when sharing files using one of about a billion server based free file sharing services, or any of the many popular existing peer to peer file sharing services as unite. In fact, you have significantly MORE freedom with something like GNUtella, since you don't have to agree to a fairly restrictive agreement, and you aren't going through a single companies proxy server to do it.

Client/Server vs P2P have nothing to do with the idea of freedom vs no freedom. The lack of freedom on the internet is something like what happens when a governament filters the web usage of a country, so as to maintain propaganda. Calling a computer not having installed some sort of server software oppressed trivializes the whole idea of what freedom actually is.

I am working on my dev machine right now, which has four different servers installed on it. Does that make me oppressive? Do I rule your life on the web because I have servers installed on my machine and you don't on yours? Will installing opera unite on your machine have any effect on my machine, or the role it is playing? How about my rackspace box? It is an order of magnitude more powerful then PCs. Does it have any effect on you? Do you have an effect on it?

The premise of the campaign is moronic. It uses politically charged terminology to describe problems that don't exist, trying to paint their product as something that people actually need or care about.

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RE[3]: wow...
by smyru on Tue 24th Nov 2009 20:51 in reply to "RE[2]: wow..."
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2009-11-24

Servers are not super computers that control our lives.


It all boils down to who's in charge of the server. And your data stored there. This ad is not targeted at power technical users.

The premise of the campaign is moronic. It uses politically charged terminology to describe problems that don't exist, trying to paint their product as something that people actually need or care about.


This kind of problems do exist. Let me just remind you initial Chrome EULA.

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RE[3]: wow...
by wumip on Tue 24th Nov 2009 21:48 in reply to "RE[2]: wow..."
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2009-08-20

<blockquote>Servers are not super computers that control our lives.</blockquote>
No one claimed that either. What the video says is that we have come to rely on other people's servers to do stuff. But now there's an alternative.

<blockquote>There is nothing unique about unite, peer to peer networks with limited decentralization have been around and quite popular for almost a decade.</blockquote>
You are extremely narrow-minded. File sharing is just a tiny and limited use case for Unite. It's just something people easily understand.

<blockquote>In fact, you have significantly MORE freedom with something like GNUtella, since you don't have to agree to a fairly restrictive agreement, and you aren't going through a single companies proxy server to do it.</blockquote>
The proxy is just a fallback if a direct connection isn't possible.

<blockquote>Calling a computer not having installed some sort of server software oppressed trivializes the whole idea of what freedom actually is.</blockquote>
Opera never called anyone oppressed. In fact, Opera itself runs several types of servers. The point of the video was that you now have a choice.

<blockquote>The premise of the campaign is moronic.</blockquote>
No, it's just you who doesn't get it. So I wonder who the moron is...

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RE[4]: wow...
by google_ninja on Tue 24th Nov 2009 22:04 in reply to "RE[3]: wow..."
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

You are extremely narrow-minded. File sharing is just a tiny and limited use case for Unite. It's just something people easily understand.


Ok, fine. Lets look at the other use cases and see how unique they are:

Chat
Streaming Media
File Sync
Online Photo Albums

Yeah, they are really pushing the bar.

The proxy is just a fallback if a direct connection isn't possible.


You also are agreeing to allow them to reuse, edit, or block access to your content arbitrarily, without warning, and without telling anyone.

Opera never called anyone oppressed. In fact, Opera itself runs several types of servers. The point of the video was that you now have a choice.


And my point is that servers have no impact on anything that be construed as "freedom", and that you have ALWAYS had a choice to run your own server, since servers are just software.

http://www.apache.org/
Apache: Promoting freedom from big servers since 1994

No, it's just you who doesn't get it. So I wonder who the moron is...


Again, they are using politically charged words to promote something that is not new, innovative, or interesting to anyone but a small amount of people who want to do this stuff, dont want to use the dozens of free services out there that are better, and are incapable of setting up services for themselves which are better.

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