Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Nov 2009 20:45 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Now this is an interesting case. Late last week news got out that Apple is refusing to repair machines still under AppleCare from customers who smoke, citing health risks from second-hand smoke. Wait, what?
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RE[3]: Wrong as can be!
by AirIntake on Fri 27th Nov 2009 22:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wrong as can be!"
AirIntake
Member since:
2009-10-29

One doesn't have to witness people dying from smoking to know that you are an idiot. There are many things that are more dangerous than smoking that aren't banned (guns, vehicles, cyanide, alcohol, McDonald's food).

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RE[4]: Wrong as can be!
by red_devel on Sat 28th Nov 2009 00:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Wrong as can be!"
red_devel Member since:
2006-03-30

One doesn't have to witness people dying from smoking to know that you are an idiot. There are many things that are more dangerous than smoking that aren't banned (guns, vehicles, cyanide, alcohol, McDonald's food).


An important difference between cigarettes and all of those things you listed is that cigarettes are highly addictive. Well, of course, alcohol is also addictive, but the majority (~90%) of the population can indulge, and even over-indulge, on alcohol at a regular rate without becoming addicted. Everyone who smokes with any consistency for even a short period of time WILL become addicted.

I'm not saying that people aren't still accountable for their own actions, and that you aren't stupid for starting smoking in this day in age when all the information is available. I'm also not, however, losing any sleep over the "poor tobacco industry" being taxed into oblivion. After years of marketing their toxic products to children to get them addicted at the youngest possible age, they're only reaping the seeds they themselves have sown.

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RE[5]: Wrong as can be!
by tweakedenigma on Sat 28th Nov 2009 05:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Wrong as can be!"
tweakedenigma Member since:
2006-12-27

alcohol, McDonald's food.

An important difference between cigarettes and all of those things you listed is that cigarettes are highly addictive. Well, of course, alcohol is also addictive, but the majority (~90%) of the population can indulge, and even over-indulge, on alcohol at a regular rate without becoming addicted. Everyone who smokes with any consistency for even a short period of time WILL become addicted.


First I have seen many many cases where people have been just as addicted to Fast Food and Alcohol as Tobacco. As was stated these also have rather large health risks associated with them but for some unknown reason they are not viewed in the same light.

Also speaking as someone that smoked for 10 years plus from the age of 9-21, and quit with no help I can honestly say it was just as easy for me to give up as Fast Food, Regular Drinking and Coffee. The fact of the matter is in all cases you have to decided if you want to keep Smoking or not end of story.

And before I get the I haven't seen the effects I have lost family members to lunge Cancer caused by Smoking, Liver failure caused by Drinking, and heart issues from living off greasy foods. I have seen addiction in many forms and it often comes down to a mental state more then the physical addiction.

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RE[5]: Wrong as can be!
by l3v1 on Sun 29th Nov 2009 08:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Wrong as can be!"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

highly addictive.


Well, I've seen gaming addicts being more addicted and sick in every sense of the word then smokers. Addiction doesn't stop at nicotine, alcohol or drugs.

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RE[5]: Wrong as can be!
by Soulbender on Sun 29th Nov 2009 10:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Wrong as can be!"
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2005-08-18

Well, of course, alcohol is also addictive, but the majority (~90%) of the population can indulge, and even over-indulge, on alcohol at a regular rate without becoming addicted.


Really? And how is that different from those who smoke socially and somewhat infrequently?

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RE[4]: Wrong as can be!
by modmans2ndcoming on Sat 28th Nov 2009 06:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Wrong as can be!"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

yes, but Second Hand Smoke is an assault on me and my family when I am in a public place and subjected to it just because you want to have a smoke.

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RE[5]: Wrong as can be!
by wfreund on Sun 29th Nov 2009 17:53 in reply to "RE[4]: Wrong as can be!"
wfreund Member since:
2009-08-17

Yes? Well the SUV that you bring your family out into public with is an assault on ME! So is the school bus that your child likely takes to school. I read somewhere that it would take 100 smokers smoking 10 cartons of cigarettes to equal the emissions of a school bus running for a few seconds. Don't know if its true but it sounds right to me.

They've really passed out some potent KoolAid when it comes to the issue of smoking.

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RE[4]: Wrong as can be!
by Janvl on Sun 29th Nov 2009 13:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Wrong as can be!"
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

I studied medicine, I guess you don't.

Base your opinion upon facts not opinions, just start counting the dying and the dead.

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RE[5]: Wrong as can be!
by Janvl on Sun 29th Nov 2009 13:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Wrong as can be!"
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

Used Computers are mostly very very dirty, keyboard and mouse are the wet dream of every microbiologist, is full of all kind of bacteria.

That smoking has something to do with the warranty? I doubt it, this is just another example how Apple treats his customers. That these machines stink is right, I have had enough of those to service.

What is utterly annoying however is these kind of people plainly wanting to ignore the hazard of smoking, without any knowledge of healthcare. Comparing it with other hazardous habits doen's make it less hazardous.

The biggest problem with smoking is that other people are forced to breath this stinking and poisonous smoke.

SO, if you must smoke, please do not exhale.

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