Linked by David Adams on Fri 4th Dec 2009 17:16 UTC
In the News This 24/7 Wall Street article displays three common media ailments: hyperbole, a love for top ten lists, and an obsession with December predictions for the coming year (which off course OSNews is obviously also falling victim to), and there are some predictable losers on this list (Blockbuster Video, anyone?). I thought it would be an interesting topic for OSNews because three of the companies/brands are quite familiar to us: Palm, Motorola, and Sun Microsystems.
Thread beginning with comment 397977
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE: Debian
by kragil on Fri 4th Dec 2009 18:39 UTC in reply to "Debian"
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

I call BS.
1. Debian has still the biggest developer base.
2. Ubuntu will have to push a certain amount of their stuff upstream(Debian) otherwise they have essentially forked Debian and have to do all of the work on their own.
3. Debian will have a release in 2010.
4. Debian is mostly moving in the right direction (with a little help from Ubuntu and others)
5. A lot of governments use Debian as their semi-official distro (Germany for example)
6. A lot of Ubuntu users in search of stability might switch to Debian (or Ubuntu devs will become DDs or DMs)

+ a few things I can't think of right now.

Reply Parent Score: 9

RE[2]: Debian
by BigDaddy on Fri 4th Dec 2009 19:26 in reply to "RE: Debian"
BigDaddy Member since:
2006-08-10

Pardon my ignorance, but Debian is a semi official of Germany? Where is Debian based from? I would have thought Suse would be the official or semi official one.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[2]: Debian
by bornagainenguin on Fri 4th Dec 2009 21:11 in reply to "RE: Debian"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

kragil postulated...

2. Ubuntu will have to push a certain amount of their stuff upstream(Debian) otherwise they have essentially forked Debian and have to do all of the work on their own.


This is already clearly the pattern Ubuntu intends to pursue. Unfortunately it is also the worst possible choice they could make at this point of time. Their last few releases have been terrible on the netbook segment, one of the fastest growing segments in a nearly flat marketplace. Their response to bugs has been to push the fixes upstream (Debian) and release half-baked crud the Canonical developers know will not work well if at all.

Ubuntu was a great distro in its time, but the developers have been consistently fumbling the ball lately and the resulting perception is Vista-like. Unless they manage to get a Win7-like release out with their upcoming LTS they're going to lose users like rats from a sinking ship. Two guesses to where they'll go...

kragil postulated...
6. A lot of Ubuntu users in search of stability might switch to Debian (or Ubuntu devs will become DDs or DMs)


This is already happening. Just look at Eeebuntu, which will be basing their next release on Debian and not Ubuntu. Not quite sure what the rename will be since they intend to support more netbooks than just the eeepc, but they've already made it clear the next release will be based on Debian. Mepis long ago moved back to Debian after a ill-fated shift to Ubuntu-- perhaps they were the start of a trend?

--bornagainpenguin

PS: I will miss Palm when they're gone, but in all sincerity the Life Drive was their last hurrah, the failure of their Copla--err--Cobalt and the demise of Tapwave's Zodiac (with its terrible battery life) all but assured its eventual trend towards obscurity. Too bad, because other than my Sharp Wizard 770 the Palm Zire 72s has been my favorite organizer\eBook reader\mp3 player. If only they'd gone for quantity and not multimedia\smartphone they might still be around for the long haul.

Reply Parent Score: 6

RE[3]: Debian
by dagw on Sat 5th Dec 2009 14:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Debian"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Just look at Eeebuntu, which will be basing their next release on Debian and not Ubuntu.

Wasn't that the original posters point? Lots of people will be using things based on Debian, but non of those things will be called Debian.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[2]: Debian
by vivainio on Fri 4th Dec 2009 21:41 in reply to "RE: Debian"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


6. A lot of Ubuntu users in search of stability might switch to Debian (or Ubuntu devs will become DDs or DMs)


Unlikely, with LTS coming out on 2010. Ubuntu know they can drop the ball with interim releases, but they take the LTS thing seriously.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Debian
by vivainio on Fri 4th Dec 2009 23:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Debian"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Unlikely, with LTS coming out on 2010. Ubuntu know they can drop the ball with interim releases, but they take the LTS thing seriously.


Talk about dropping the bell... yet again X "disappeared" on my karmic, taking my apps with it.

Reply Parent Score: 2