Linked by David Adams on Fri 4th Dec 2009 17:16 UTC
In the News This 24/7 Wall Street article displays three common media ailments: hyperbole, a love for top ten lists, and an obsession with December predictions for the coming year (which off course OSNews is obviously also falling victim to), and there are some predictable losers on this list (Blockbuster Video, anyone?). I thought it would be an interesting topic for OSNews because three of the companies/brands are quite familiar to us: Palm, Motorola, and Sun Microsystems.
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RE[2]: Debian
by bornagainenguin on Fri 4th Dec 2009 21:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Debian"
bornagainenguin
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2005-08-07

kragil postulated...

2. Ubuntu will have to push a certain amount of their stuff upstream(Debian) otherwise they have essentially forked Debian and have to do all of the work on their own.


This is already clearly the pattern Ubuntu intends to pursue. Unfortunately it is also the worst possible choice they could make at this point of time. Their last few releases have been terrible on the netbook segment, one of the fastest growing segments in a nearly flat marketplace. Their response to bugs has been to push the fixes upstream (Debian) and release half-baked crud the Canonical developers know will not work well if at all.

Ubuntu was a great distro in its time, but the developers have been consistently fumbling the ball lately and the resulting perception is Vista-like. Unless they manage to get a Win7-like release out with their upcoming LTS they're going to lose users like rats from a sinking ship. Two guesses to where they'll go...

kragil postulated...
6. A lot of Ubuntu users in search of stability might switch to Debian (or Ubuntu devs will become DDs or DMs)


This is already happening. Just look at Eeebuntu, which will be basing their next release on Debian and not Ubuntu. Not quite sure what the rename will be since they intend to support more netbooks than just the eeepc, but they've already made it clear the next release will be based on Debian. Mepis long ago moved back to Debian after a ill-fated shift to Ubuntu-- perhaps they were the start of a trend?

--bornagainpenguin

PS: I will miss Palm when they're gone, but in all sincerity the Life Drive was their last hurrah, the failure of their Copla--err--Cobalt and the demise of Tapwave's Zodiac (with its terrible battery life) all but assured its eventual trend towards obscurity. Too bad, because other than my Sharp Wizard 770 the Palm Zire 72s has been my favorite organizer\eBook reader\mp3 player. If only they'd gone for quantity and not multimedia\smartphone they might still be around for the long haul.

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RE[3]: Debian
by dagw on Sat 5th Dec 2009 14:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Debian"
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2005-07-06

Just look at Eeebuntu, which will be basing their next release on Debian and not Ubuntu.

Wasn't that the original posters point? Lots of people will be using things based on Debian, but non of those things will be called Debian.

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RE[4]: Debian
by bornagainenguin on Sun 6th Dec 2009 14:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Debian"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

dagw inquired...

Just look at Eeebuntu, which will be basing their next release on Debian and not Ubuntu.
Wasn't that the original posters point? Lots of people will be using things based on Debian, but non of those things will be called Debian.


Yes it was, what I was doing there was agreeing with the parent post and citing an example or two of where this was already happening. Personally though I can see it going the other way too--once one of these new distros make it easy enough to do I expect there will be many people making the switch over to plain vanila Debian as they learn enough to be able to do so. We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.

--bornagainpenguin

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