Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Dec 2009 23:57 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems On a number of occasions, Apple has stated that it cannot design a laptop at around 400-500 USD that isn't total crap. This seems like a reasonable point to make - but why, then, is Dell - of all companies - seemingly able to do so? Dell just launched the Dell Vostro V13 (official press release), and it looks pretty good.
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Comment by big_gie
by big_gie on Wed 9th Dec 2009 00:35 UTC
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2006-01-04

These machines seems pretty nice, but I find all this a bit marketing. The cheapest one migth be 450 USD, but it comes with a Celeron. I did not know they were still producing these! Maybe an atom would have been better?

But most importantly, why is the ubuntu version only available on the lowest-end one? It might be a good thing for ubuntu that it can run on lower-end machines, but I'm afraid people will associate the lower performance to the OS. Crappy performance = crappy os. I would have liked to see the option to choose which OS on any of the machines. But then I'm daydreaming... ;)

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by sanctus on Wed 9th Dec 2009 00:48 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
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2005-08-31

On a marketing point of view you are perfectly right.

This is really a bad marketing strategy, for Ubuntu/Linux at least. For technology enthusiast like us, it doesn't mean that much, but for the general public, it tells a clear message : "Crappy computers runs Linux the rest rocks with Windows" or "Poor customer uses Linux!", ...

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by ngaio on Wed 9th Dec 2009 02:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
ngaio Member since:
2005-10-06

Not necessarily. Value conscious users who simply want to get on with things and surf the web, produce some documents and the multitude of other tasks that in no way require windows will certainly appreciate a computer like this. Why not? For the price, it looks amazing -- and completely impossible to imagine 4 or 5 years ago.

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by bhtooefr on Wed 9th Dec 2009 01:07 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

Celerons and Pentiums are lower-end versions of the current mainstream (Core 2 Duo, in this case) processor.

A Celeron M 743 will absolutely eviscerate an Atom N280 in performance. (And, Celerons get the same chipsets as Core 2 Duos, Atoms get 2 generations back, so better graphics performance, too.)

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by lemur2 on Wed 9th Dec 2009 01:09 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

These machines seems pretty nice, but I find all this a bit marketing. The cheapest one migth be 450 USD, but it comes with a Celeron. I did not know they were still producing these! Maybe an atom would have been better? But most importantly, why is the ubuntu version only available on the lowest-end one? It might be a good thing for ubuntu that it can run on lower-end machines, but I'm afraid people will associate the lower performance to the OS. Crappy performance = crappy os. I would have liked to see the option to choose which OS on any of the machines. But then I'm daydreaming... ;)


Dell Australia: Starts at $999 AUD for the Vostro, no Linux option at all.

It will be a cold day in Hell before those idiots see any of my money.

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by Bobthearch on Wed 9th Dec 2009 01:30 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
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2006-01-27

Yeah, but those richy-rich Australians can afford it. A thousand dollars is pocket change for someone who can afford a $600,000 house (average home price in Sydney, according to recent Morning Herald article).

;)

Can't you order one from the States and have it shipped?

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by thavith_osn on Wed 9th Dec 2009 13:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
thavith_osn Member since:
2005-07-11

I don't get it either...

You can get a MacBook for $1299 in Aus, so for only $300 more you get...

2.26GHz : 250GB
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Built-in 7-hour battery2
Polycarbonate unibody enclosure
Estimated Ship: Within 24hrs
Free Shipping
A$ 1,299.00

I might be wrong, but the Dell sounds like not good value...

I am sure a lot of PC guys can find way better deals on PC laptops too...

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by lemur2 on Thu 10th Dec 2009 03:00 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"These machines seems pretty nice, but I find all this a bit marketing. The cheapest one migth be 450 USD, but it comes with a Celeron. I did not know they were still producing these! Maybe an atom would have been better? But most importantly, why is the ubuntu version only available on the lowest-end one? It might be a good thing for ubuntu that it can run on lower-end machines, but I'm afraid people will associate the lower performance to the OS. Crappy performance = crappy os. I would have liked to see the option to choose which OS on any of the machines. But then I'm daydreaming... ;)
Dell Australia: Starts at $999 AUD for the Vostro, no Linux option at all. It will be a cold day in Hell before those idiots see any of my money. "

Apparently I have misunderstood.

http://www.liliputing.com/2009/12/dell-vostro-v13-thin-light-enough...

Interestingly, Engadget also reports that the $450 price tag applies to the base model which will ship with Ubuntu Linux. If you want Windows 7, the price jumps to $600.


Apparently the $450 US Vostro is Ubuntu Linux only. If you want Windows 7, the price jumps to $600 US. (Possibly because the Celeron CPU cannot run Windows 7 at an acceptable speed, and a beefier CPU is required to make it perform acceptably well).

Therefore, I should be comparing the $999 AUD price that Dell Australia has set as the cheapest model Vostro in Australia to $600 US.

Dell Australia refuses to offer any machines with Ubuntu. The sell only Windows machines.

If Dell Australia don't want my business, I am more than willing to refrain from giving it to them.

Edited 2009-12-10 03:08 UTC

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by nt_jerkface on Wed 9th Dec 2009 04:53 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

These machines seems pretty nice, but I find all this a bit marketing. The cheapest one migth be 450 USD, but it comes with a Celeron. I did not know they were still producing these! Maybe an atom would have been better?


It's actually a very low power Penryn based dual-core cpu that is adequate for typical office work. It has a 10 watt TDP which is incredible.
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42779

They should probably call it something else. People will assume it is tech from the P4 era.

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by darknexus on Wed 9th Dec 2009 05:36 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

They should probably call it something else. People will assume it is tech from the P4 era.


Very true, I made that mistake myself at first. Celeron just has too many bad connotations from many years ago. They used to be low power, low performance chips and were, essentially, the lowest you could go when it came to Intel i686. Many had overheating issues as they did not run as cool as many of the OEMs believed, and they got a very bad rep out of that.

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RE[2]: Comment by big_gie
by Evan on Wed 9th Dec 2009 06:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by big_gie"
Evan Member since:
2006-01-18

It is the single core version, sadly:

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37135

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by darknexus on Wed 9th Dec 2009 05:38 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Especially since all Dell would need to do to counter that image is offer a choice of os on all of these machines. I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but it does make me wonder why this is the case and if, perhaps, a certain os vendor is providing some insentives.

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RE: Comment by big_gie
by Anonymous Penguin on Wed 9th Dec 2009 14:28 in reply to "Comment by big_gie"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree. Here in Italy the only Core 2 Duo one costs 629 Euro. You might want some upgrade, like a larger HD or Windows 7 Professional, and you are easily going to spend 750 Euro or more.
You'll easily find competition for such a price, and even the cheapest MacBook doesn't sound too bad at € 899.00

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