Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Dec 2009 00:13 UTC
Gnome In the item we ran yesterday about GNOME and the GNU Project, one aspect got snowed under a little bit. It turns out a claim made in the iTWire article about the role a blog post by Miguel De Icaza was false, and even though the claim wasn't ours, I did repeat it, and therefore, should correct it too. I also need to offer apologies for not framing the opening of the article clear enough - had I framed it better, a lot of pointless discussion and name-calling could've been avoided.
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RE[7]: It is all okay
by strcpy on Wed 16th Dec 2009 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: It is all okay"
strcpy
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2009-05-20

Yes. You quite nicely summarized all that I fiercely oppose. No self-respecting open source / free software project should actively limit the free speech of its members.

(And just to recapitulate the context here: this is about limiting the free speech to disallow talking about so-called "proprietary software", which should be always presented as "immoral" or "unethical", as stated by the head honcho of FSF himself.)

If actions like these are required for Gnome to stay as a GNU project, these two should divorce immediately, the sooner the better.

Edited 2009-12-16 18:46 UTC

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RE[8]: It is all okay
by boldingd on Wed 16th Dec 2009 19:13 in reply to "RE[7]: It is all okay"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Yes. You quite nicely summarized all that I fiercely oppose. No self-respecting open source / free software project should actively limit the free speech of its members.

(And just to recapitulate the context here: this is about limiting the free speech to disallow talking about so-called "proprietary software", which should be always presented as "immoral" or "unethical", as stated by the head honcho of FSF himself.)

If actions like these are required for Gnome to stay as a GNU project, these two should divorce immediately, the sooner the better.


They don't limit speech by choosing not to reproduce speech. Really. Seriously. Free speech doesn't work that way.

But: I don't disagree with you about the situation, I was just trying to make two points:
1: Planet Gnome is (derivatively, indirectly) associated with an advocacy group, whose position they do not completely support, and
2: Accusing the FSF of censorship is inflammatory, an exaggeration, and melodramatic.

You're right that, if Planet Gnome, or the Gnome project in general, does not feel that they can adhere to the portions of the FSF's ideals that the GNU project endorses, they should separate themselves from the GNU and the FSF. Whether that's the case is a decision that the GNOME community has to make, and I don't really have a strong opinion on which way they should go.

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RE[9]: It is all okay
by strcpy on Wed 16th Dec 2009 19:28 in reply to "RE[8]: It is all okay"
strcpy Member since:
2009-05-20


They don't limit speech by choosing not to reproduce speech. Really. Seriously. Free speech doesn't work that way.


But it was proposed. The whole thread started from reinforcing "the code of conduct".


But: I don't disagree with you about the situation, I was just trying to make two points:


Sure. No offense taken.


1: Planet Gnome is (derivatively, indirectly) associated with an advocacy group, whose position they do not completely support, and
2: Accusing the FSF of censorship is inflammatory, an exaggeration, and melodramatic.


In that infamous thread, the head of the mentioned advocacy group in very clear words stated that promotion of "non-free" software should not happen in planet Gnome.[1] Call it what you want, but that is censorship at the end of the day.


You're right that, if Planet Gnome, or the Gnome project in general, does not feel that they can adhere to the portions of the FSF's ideals that the GNU project endorses, they should separate themselves from the GNU and the FSF.


Agreed. It is my personal opinion (to which I am hopefully entitled to) that the connection to GNU does more harm than good to Gnome.


Whether that's the case is a decision that the GNOME community has to make, and I don't really have a strong opinion on which way they should go.


I've thrown my own set of patches to Gnome or software closely related to it, and I can associate with the project also code-wise. I also have an opinion about this. So what? To rephrase from my original comment: at least here at OSnews we can write and flame whatever we want.

[1] Actually, this happened many times, but e.g. in:

http://www.mail-archive.com/foundation-list@gnome.org/msg04052.html

Here is particularly nasty idea of censorship on a Planet (!):

http://www.mail-archive.com/foundation-list@gnome.org/msg04106.html

Edited 2009-12-16 19:45 UTC

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