Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Dec 2009 22:16 UTC
Mac OS X Late last night (CET), we reported on the story that the VLC project needed more developers for the Mac version of this popular video player, or else the Mac variant may disappear. Just about every website out there reported on this issue, but it turns out it all got a bit exaggerated (on the internet? Surely you jest...). We spoke to VLC developer Pierre d'Herbemont to clarify the issue, and they've also put up a wiki page about the so-called demise of the Mac version of VLC. He also detailed what, exactly, they meant by "Apple is blocking us".
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RE[2]: Qt4 Interface?
by Delgarde on Fri 18th Dec 2009 00:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Qt4 Interface?"
Delgarde
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They're doing what programmers like doing best. Create their own product.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html


That article of Joel's is often quoted, and indeed is probably accurate for most projects. But consider it's central example - the abandonment of the old Netscape code in favour of what eventually became Firefox.

In hindsight, I think it's pretty safe to say that keeping with the old code would never have led to anything like the modern Firefox. And without Firefox kick-starting competition between browsers, I don't see that we'd have ended up with anything like the modern Web - we might, god forbid, be stuck with IE6 as the pinnacle of browser design...

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RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?
by sbergman27 on Fri 18th Dec 2009 00:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Qt4 Interface?"
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2005-07-24

In hindsight, I think it's pretty safe to say that keeping with the old code would never have led to anything like the modern Firefox.

I disagree. If they had refactored and replaced components in a controlled and orderly fashion instead of saying "Hey, let's throw out most of the existing codebase and start from scratch!" they would have had a usable and markettable product throughout the entire cycle rather than a slow and buggy product, not ready for prime time (but with perpetual "awesome nightlies!"), and wouldn't have had to claw their way back up from 1% market share or wherever the old Mozilla ended up. And arguably, they could have gotten to the current technical state of FF as fast, or possibly faster than they did. And likely with a higher current marked share than the badly trailing second place that they have managed world wide at this time. That IE's continued huge lead and Firefox's 25% or whatever is so often considered a 'victory' says more about the abysmal state of competition that we all just got used to than about the current state of competition.

Edited 2009-12-18 00:37 UTC

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RE[4]: Qt4 Interface?
by red_devel on Fri 18th Dec 2009 04:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?"
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2006-03-30

rather than a slow and buggy product, not ready for prime time (but with perpetual "awesome nightlies!")


I find this to be a gross mis-characterization of what things were really like. I've been using Firefox since it was Phoenix and started somewhere around the .5 series. Back then I was still on Windows and up till then was (of course) an IE 6 user. Was Phoenix perfect back then? No. Did it have some bugs? Yes. But it was easily a better browsing experience than IE 6, even in that state. I give big time props to the devs for getting things working so well so quickly.

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RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?
by segedunum on Fri 18th Dec 2009 14:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Qt4 Interface?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

That article of Joel's is often quoted, and indeed is probably accurate for most projects. But consider it's central example - the abandonment of the old Netscape code in favour of what eventually became Firefox.

It's a bad example to cite. The reason why Firefox had to take a completely new direction was because of that disastrous decision by Netscape over version 6, or what should have been version 5. That pretty much finished them and the browser off in that incarnation to the point where Mozilla had no real choice.

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RE[4]: Qt4 Interface?
by sbergman27 on Fri 18th Dec 2009 14:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The reason why Firefox had to take a completely new direction was because of that disastrous decision by Netscape over version 6, or what should have been version 5. That pretty much finished them and the browser off in that incarnation to the point where Mozilla had no real choice.

The mistake of deciding to rewrite from scratch was made long before Netscape 6. Netscape 6 was a desperate attempt to get some new Netscape... anything... out before the brand was completely forgotten, and all marketshare for Mozilla/Netscape was lost. Netscape 6 flopped (and badly) because the rewrite was taking *way, way* longer than expected (Surprise!) and wasn't anywhere near baked yet.

The fact that 11 years after the foolish decision was made, FF is just now clawing its way back to the point that IE only has about a 3 to 1 lead on it makes it an excellent example of the problems Joel is referencing.

Note to people who seem a bit confused: Firefox was not a rewrite of Mozilla. It was a strip-down and streamlining of Mozilla. The stupid mistake was in throwing out so much of Netscape's mature and tested code back in 1998 and 1999... long before Phoenix/Firefox.

Edited 2009-12-18 14:44 UTC

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RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?
by renhoek on Fri 18th Dec 2009 19:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Qt4 Interface?"
renhoek Member since:
2007-04-29

In hindsight, I think it's pretty safe to say that keeping with the old code would never have led to anything like the modern Firefox. And without Firefox kick-starting competition between browsers, I don't see that we'd have ended up with anything like the modern Web - we might, god forbid, be stuck with IE6 as the pinnacle of browser design...


Or webkit, that would suck...

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RE[4]: Qt4 Interface?
by Kroc on Fri 18th Dec 2009 20:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Qt4 Interface?"
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2005-11-10

Without Firefox, IE6-only sites would still be the norm, so Webkit would never have been able to make inroads. It is only because of Firefox that Webkit is now a viable option for anybody.

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