Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Dec 2009 16:58 UTC
Mono Project The Mono project has released Moonlight 2, the open source implementation of Microsoft's Silverlight. Moonlight allows Silverlight content to run on platforms that do not have an official Silverlight client, such as Linux and PowerPC Macs. Microsoft also expanded its patent agreement with Novell to cover all users of Moonlight, no matter the Linux version.
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by Kroc on Fri 18th Dec 2009 18:54 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: ..."
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I’m competitive with a text editor (TextMate), but Notepad would suffice. In fact, I’m well ahead of the curve—I’m developing on the cutting edge. I’m writing code that WYSIWYG tools _can’t_ do because this stuff requires _skill_ and knowledge. If you want the _best_ website, you _have_ to hand write it. If you want the fastest site, you _have_ to hand write it, because the tools cannot think for you.

I’m hand writing the next version of OSnews. It is going to be faster than any other news site. It will be incredibly elegant, and well designed, and it will be HTML5. It will work in IE. It is the best piece of code I’ve ever written and it is leagues ahead of the game.

If you can’t compete with Notepad, then you don’t know your craft well enough. Get learning, all the knowledge is freely available on the Internet.

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by Hiev on Fri 18th Dec 2009 19:02 in reply to "RE[7]: ..."
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So, you are handcrafting a web forum basictly, you don't have a deadline and a customer who is waíting for the results yesterday, yo don't need to show complex reports that will be need to be exported to excel, pdf or formated nicely in html, you don't need to assing rights per user, per station and syncronice data from diferrent databases at nigh in a reliable way so the information is fine and dandy at 6:00 a.m. not less, and this is only just the beggining i won't talk about the complicated processes. I agree with you that some parts need to be hand made, I do that, but there are other parts that it doenst matter if you have the powerful text editor in the world, you need other tools that the standars doesn't cover yet.

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by Kroc on Fri 18th Dec 2009 19:37 in reply to "RE[8]: ..."
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I have the benefit of being freelance, I choose the jobs, I set the standards. Not everybody gets that benefit, and businesses cut out the planning, cut corners and create the very organisation / planning problems that you describe.

You seem to be referring more to internal b2b stuff; If you need average, good-enough results for business people then yes, no problem using quick tools. For a public website, where milliseconds count, then that is where I am saying that hand coding runs circles around being lazy.

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by boldingd on Fri 18th Dec 2009 21:10 in reply to "RE[7]: ..."
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If you can’t compete with Notepad, then you don’t know your craft well enough. Get learning, all the knowledge is freely available on the Internet.

That was always my fear: I've heard horror stories about people who can basically only work with Java inside Eclipse, have a very weak grasp on what's actually going on when their code executes, and just get carried through haphazardly slapping their code together with immense help from the IDE. I've never wanted to be that coder, and I've long been a proponent of gvim, an xterm, and Makefiles.

That's actually something of a culture conflict where I work, because a lot of the other programmers here come from Java or C# backgrounds, and think that's an extremely antiquated viewpoint, and that my productivity would be immensely greater if I'd just start letting a well-designed IDE do a lot of the grunt work for me. And they may be right, but I'm enormously terrified of becoming a Java Cobbler.

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by Tuishimi on Fri 18th Dec 2009 22:57 in reply to "RE[8]: ..."
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Ditto! Same thing where I am.

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by modmans2ndcoming on Sat 19th Dec 2009 00:07 in reply to "RE[8]: ..."
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So.... you enjoy writing boilerplate code? If you aren't writing it and rather have it saved off in a file, then what is the difference between that and an IDE except for the time it takes to do it? You wrote it? big deal.

besides that, languages with huge frameworks under them were meant to be "cobbled" together, if by that you mean reusing highly optimized code.

The world you need to fear is where researchers are trying to taking it... Modeling that generates most of the code for you. My graduate prof is researching that with UML right now.... not sure why he chose UML when formal modeling languages are much more expressive and precise... you would think it would be easier to generate code from that.

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