Linked by bcavally on Mon 21st Dec 2009 17:18 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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Comment by cerbie
by cerbie on Mon 21st Dec 2009 22:32 UTC
cerbie
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2006-01-02

Installation: no option to use the MBR. Grrr.

Use of double-click: DIE, DIE, DIE. No, wait, begin with years straight of torture, then die.

Shutdown: oh, wait, you can't, because <random ported app> won't close, and that stops it.

Hardware porting (just leave behind binary apps and drivers) would be cool, too.

I can't really comment on video hardware support, as I could not get any kinds of videos but MPEG2 to play, much less smoothly. Sound worked great, though

The FUSE implementation's behavior isn't like good ol' HAL (FI, it asks if I want to mount my NTFS partition ro or rw--what a concept!), which is awesome.

Haiku is definitely getting there, and I am hopeful. However, it still has way too much alpha-ness for me to use regularly.

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RE: Comment by cerbie
by Michael Oliveira on Mon 21st Dec 2009 22:40 in reply to "Comment by cerbie"
Michael Oliveira Member since:
2005-07-07

Use of double-click: DIE, DIE, DIE. No, wait, begin with years straight of torture, then die.

It behaves like BeOS R5

Hardware porting (just leave behind binary apps and drivers) would be cool, too.

Network card drivers from FreeBSD are being ported right now

I can't really comment on video hardware support, as I could not get any kinds of videos but MPEG2 to play, much less smoothly. Sound worked great, though

Do you even tried VLC Player?

The FUSE implementation's behavior isn't like good ol' HAL (FI, it asks if I want to mount my NTFS partition ro or rw--what a concept!), which is awesome.

It's because is in ALPHA state, so unknow (or well know) data corruption could occours

Haiku is definitely getting there, and I am hopeful. However, it still has way too much alpha-ness for me to use regularly.

You can see that is a good alpha-ness quality, very close to beta state

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RE[2]: Comment by cerbie
by cerbie on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 00:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by cerbie"
cerbie Member since:
2006-01-02

Double-click: I know, but it's been awhile since I've had to rely on double clicking (I try to avoid GTK stuff), and it's one thing I do not miss.

Porting: I mean to a different ISA. The only drivers lacking for anything I use right now are wireless (secure network support), and they are in the pipe.

"Do you even tried VLC Player?"

Yes (8.6). It would not play anything more than the included media player, and it also would not quit. I could not find a VLC 1.x for Haiku.

"It's because is in ALPHA state, so unknow (or well know) data corruption could occours"

You mean you've never tried using an aged NTFS partition with NTFS-3g, and had it either refuse to mount rw (with no easy-to-get-to ro option), or get corrupted? Not to mention annoying issues after writing when you actualy use NTFS' user-based file security. Asking how to mount is the right way for any alien FS that supports alien features, IMO.

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RE: Comment by cerbie
by helf on Mon 21st Dec 2009 22:41 in reply to "Comment by cerbie"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

What the hell is wrong with "double clicking"? Your fingers can't handle tapping twice?

Having everything a single click is just asking for headaches. It is far too easy to accidentally do something.

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RE[2]: Comment by cerbie
by cerbie on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 00:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by cerbie"
cerbie Member since:
2006-01-02

Double clicking makes accidental dragging easy to do, and does not always work perfectly with a mouse. Everyone but Gnome gets by just fine w/o double-click, and getting rid of it as a necessity would be a good UI move.

Most of the UI has no more than three actions, and I always have at least three mouse buttons.

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RE: Comment by cerbie
by Meanwhile on Mon 21st Dec 2009 22:54 in reply to "Comment by cerbie"
Meanwhile Member since:
2005-09-03

Tip: use the 3rd party application UniversalScroller to have single clicks act as double clicks.

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RE: Comment by cerbie
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 21st Dec 2009 23:00 in reply to "Comment by cerbie"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Use of double-click: DIE, DIE, DIE. No, wait, begin with years straight of torture, then die.


While I agree, the solution is fairly simple:

http://bebits.com/app/1359

I've used that for the better part of a decade now, along with a 3-button mouse - which is configured so that a single-click of the middle button emulates a double-click of the left button.

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RE[2]: Comment by cerbie
by cerbie on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 00:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by cerbie"
cerbie Member since:
2006-01-02

Noted. Trying Haiku recently has been the only Be-like experience I've had since maybe 1998 or so.

Edited 2009-12-22 00:20 UTC

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