Linked by bcavally on Mon 21st Dec 2009 17:18 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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Oh for #@&%'s sake...
by bornagainenguin on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 02:59 UTC
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

...This article is a joke, right?

OSNews.com can't have let their standards fall so much to the point that I'm actually having to write a comment on an article asking in all seriousness if an ALPHA release of a new Operating System is "perfect" or not--can it?

For the love of Pete, Haiku doesn't even have a working WiFi stack yet! How can anyone seriously expect to evaluate the perfection of an OS that has yet to modernize? Whose own standards for perfection are in whether or not they can reach parity with a release last updated in 2000*?

I repeat, what is this a joke?

--bornagainpenguin

*I know that the Haiku team have been quietly updating what they could in their clean room reimplementation of the BeOS, but they've made it clear over and over there will be very little modernization of Haiku until Release One manages to reach 100% compatibility with BeOS R5.

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RE: Oh for #@&%'s sake...
by bcavally on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 06:19 in reply to "Oh for #@&%'s sake..."
bcavally Member since:
2009-12-20

You've totally missed the point of the article. Have you even read it? It is not about current version of Haiku, it is what Haiku might become in the future.

At the end, I even address readers to state their opinion which operating system by their opinion has the potential to become "the perfect desktop operating system" in the future.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

bcavally posted...

You've totally missed the point of the article. Have you even read it? It is not about current version of Haiku, it is what Haiku might become in the future.


No you miss the point. Haiku as an operating system in its own right is years away. None of us have any idea what Haiku will look like once it gets beyond the shadow of the BeOS it has been living under its whole life. Speculation is pointless, until at least two or three releases after release one.

bcavally posted...
At the end, I even address readers to state their opinion which operating system by their opinion has the potential to become "the perfect desktop operating system" in the future.


Oh that's easy! All of them. The perfect desktop operating system means different things to different people.

--bornagainpenguin

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RE: Oh for #@&%'s sake...
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 22:44 in reply to "Oh for #@&%'s sake..."
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

For the love of Pete, Haiku doesn't even have a working WiFi stack yet!


That complaint is about 7 months out of date:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21562/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_TV_Card_Progress...

How can anyone seriously expect to evaluate the perfection of an OS that has yet to modernize? Whose own standards for perfection are in whether or not they can reach parity with a release last updated in 2000*?


While I don't necessarily agree with the article, your criticism don't really paint the full picture. While it's true that BeOS was last updated in 2,000, you also need to keep in mind that BeOS was significantly ahead of its time in 2,000 (and in some ways, in 2009 too) - thanks to Be's developers intentionally designing the OS to be as future-proof/forward-looking as possible.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

StephenBeDoper chimed in with...

For the love of Pete, Haiku doesn't even have a working WiFi stack yet!

That complaint is about 7 months out of date:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21562/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_TV_Card_Progress...


Yeah, about that? Not so much...

Nightlies removed and discontinued (1 comment)

Added by Colin G√ľnther 2 months ago
Following reasons lead to this decision:

* prevent confusion between the old nightlies and the testing versions
* due to slow down in development there aren't anymore driver versions you could call a nightly ;)


See: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/news

Oh there's still activity and there will be a WiFi stack eventually once they manage to port over enough *BSD drivers to make it practical to create an interface for managing WiFi, but the fact remains WiFi has yet to be a priority for Haiku. I would imagine that would be one of those things that will be a priority in R2, but not R1 which recall is all about BeOS R5 compatibility. Then again, they are trying to modernize where ever they can without breaking that compatibility so we could all be very pleasantly surprised by Alpha 2.

StephenBeDoper chimed in with...
How can anyone seriously expect to evaluate the perfection of an OS that has yet to modernize? Whose own standards for perfection are in whether or not they can reach parity with a release last updated in 2000*?

While I don't necessarily agree with the article, your criticism don't really paint the full picture. While it's true that BeOS was last updated in 2,000, you also need to keep in mind that BeOS was significantly ahead of its time in 2,000 (and in some ways, in 2009 too) - thanks to Be's developers intentionally designing the OS to be as future-proof/forward-looking as possible.


That wasn't the point I was making, what I was saying is that none of us know what the true Haiku operating system will look like once the team meets their personal goal of compatibility with BeOS R5, and then begin to take the code to the future, where they really want to go! I wasn't insulting Haiku, I'm just making the point that once Haiku hits R1 and are no longer constrained by the necessity for compatibility is when I expect great things to happen. Things that none of us can imagine now, because we're still thinking about BeOS and the guys writing Haiku are thinking about the next generation...

--bornagainpenguin

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