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BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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RE: Religious perspective:
by WereCatf on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 14:13 UTC in reply to "Religious perspective:"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Is it not indeed human nature, that is good?

No. Humans are by nature selfish, greedy, self-preserving bastards, often willing to sacrifice others in order to satisfy one or another need, including plain curiosity, and the whole world would actually be better off without us.

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RE[2]: Religious perspective:
by sbergman27 on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 15:03 in reply to "RE: Religious perspective:"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

No. Humans are by nature selfish, greedy, self-preserving bastards, often willing to sacrifice others in order to satisfy one or another need, including plain curiosity, and the whole world would actually be better off without us.

Agreed. I often think of this when I read science fiction novels which imply some moral imperative for us to colonize the solar system... or worse yet, the galaxy. And also when I'm visiting our national forests and parks.

Edited 2009-12-22 15:08 UTC

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

"No. Humans are by nature selfish, greedy, self-preserving bastards, often willing to sacrifice others in order to satisfy one or another need, including plain curiosity, and the whole world would actually be better off without us.

Agreed. I often think of this when I read science fiction novels which imply some moral imperative for us to colonize the solar system... or worse yet, the galaxy. And also when I'm visiting our national forests and parks.
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If you ever want to really depress yourself, pick up a copy of Sea of Slaughter by Farley Mowatt - it's a catalogue of the (mainly) marine animals that have wiped out since European colonization of North America began.

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RE[2]: Religious perspective:
by Zifre on Wed 23rd Dec 2009 00:48 in reply to "RE: Religious perspective:"
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

the whole world would actually be better off without us.

Are you sure about that? "Better off" is a concept invented by humans. The Earth certainly doesn't care what we do to it. That's not to say we shouldn't conserve it, but that is mainly for our own good.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

The Earth certainly doesn't care what we do to it.

What a typically anthropocentric human answer. Countless other species would be better off without us. Starting with the mountain gorillas... and dolphins. The latter having larger brains than humans, a greater brain mass to body mass ratio than humans, and more convoluted brain surface than humans. (Those being empirically good general indicators of intelligence.) And of course, countless extinct species would be better off without us, including, but certainly not limited to homo sapiens neanderthalensis.

In large numbers, we humans are very, very ugly. And very, very destructive. And very, very unmindful of those facts.

Edited 2009-12-23 01:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Religious perspective:
by nt_jerkface on Wed 23rd Dec 2009 03:16 in reply to "RE: Religious perspective:"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Is it not indeed human nature, that is good? No. Humans are by nature selfish, greedy, self-preserving bastards, often willing to sacrifice others in order to satisfy one or another need, including plain curiosity, and the whole world would actually be better off without us


Well go kill yourself then or at least take your Western self-loathing somewhere else.

Not all of us subscribe to the dopey collectivist outlook that believes Westerners should go through life filled with guilt and angst.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Well go kill yourself then or at least take your Western self-loathing somewhere else.

Some people care about what the human race does. I suspect that it might do a bit more good to kill you.

Edited 2009-12-23 03:39 UTC

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ParadoxUncreated Member since:
2009-12-05

"Is it not indeed human nature, that is good? No. Humans are by nature selfish, greedy, self-preserving bastards, often willing to sacrifice others in order to satisfy one or another need, including plain curiosity, and the whole world would actually be better off without us
Well go kill yourself then or at least take your Western self-loathing somewhere else. Not all of us subscribe to the dopey collectivist outlook that believes Westerners should go through life filled with guilt and angst. "

Indeed, that sounds like christian "original sin" influence. (Which is a distortion of Abrahamic faith).
The spirit of a person may be good or bad, believer or associator, however it is a created being. Divine nature is good.

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