Linked by bcavally on Mon 21st Dec 2009 17:18 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Today there are many operating systems available. Every vendor or community round it tries to make it as good as possible. Having different goals, different legacy and different cultures, they succeed in it more or less. We (end users) end up with big selection of operating systems, but for us the operating systems are usually compromise of the features that we would like to have. So is there an operating system that would fit all the needs of the end user? Is is the BeOS clone Haiku?
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RE: Oh for #@&%'s sake...
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 22nd Dec 2009 22:44 UTC in reply to "Oh for #@&%'s sake..."
StephenBeDoper
Member since:
2005-07-06

For the love of Pete, Haiku doesn't even have a working WiFi stack yet!


That complaint is about 7 months out of date:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21562/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_TV_Card_Progress...

How can anyone seriously expect to evaluate the perfection of an OS that has yet to modernize? Whose own standards for perfection are in whether or not they can reach parity with a release last updated in 2000*?


While I don't necessarily agree with the article, your criticism don't really paint the full picture. While it's true that BeOS was last updated in 2,000, you also need to keep in mind that BeOS was significantly ahead of its time in 2,000 (and in some ways, in 2009 too) - thanks to Be's developers intentionally designing the OS to be as future-proof/forward-looking as possible.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

StephenBeDoper chimed in with...

For the love of Pete, Haiku doesn't even have a working WiFi stack yet!

That complaint is about 7 months out of date:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21562/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_TV_Card_Progress...


Yeah, about that? Not so much...

Nightlies removed and discontinued (1 comment)

Added by Colin G√ľnther 2 months ago
Following reasons lead to this decision:

* prevent confusion between the old nightlies and the testing versions
* due to slow down in development there aren't anymore driver versions you could call a nightly ;)


See: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/haiku-wifi/news

Oh there's still activity and there will be a WiFi stack eventually once they manage to port over enough *BSD drivers to make it practical to create an interface for managing WiFi, but the fact remains WiFi has yet to be a priority for Haiku. I would imagine that would be one of those things that will be a priority in R2, but not R1 which recall is all about BeOS R5 compatibility. Then again, they are trying to modernize where ever they can without breaking that compatibility so we could all be very pleasantly surprised by Alpha 2.

StephenBeDoper chimed in with...
How can anyone seriously expect to evaluate the perfection of an OS that has yet to modernize? Whose own standards for perfection are in whether or not they can reach parity with a release last updated in 2000*?

While I don't necessarily agree with the article, your criticism don't really paint the full picture. While it's true that BeOS was last updated in 2,000, you also need to keep in mind that BeOS was significantly ahead of its time in 2,000 (and in some ways, in 2009 too) - thanks to Be's developers intentionally designing the OS to be as future-proof/forward-looking as possible.


That wasn't the point I was making, what I was saying is that none of us know what the true Haiku operating system will look like once the team meets their personal goal of compatibility with BeOS R5, and then begin to take the code to the future, where they really want to go! I wasn't insulting Haiku, I'm just making the point that once Haiku hits R1 and are no longer constrained by the necessity for compatibility is when I expect great things to happen. Things that none of us can imagine now, because we're still thinking about BeOS and the guys writing Haiku are thinking about the next generation...

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[3]: Oh for #@&%'s sake...
by umccullough on Wed 23rd Dec 2009 02:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh for #@&%'s sake..."
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Oh there's still activity and there will be a WiFi stack eventually once they manage to port over enough *BSD drivers to make it practical to create an interface for managing WiFi, but the fact remains WiFi has yet to be a priority for Haiku.


Actually, the reason you're not seeing any more progress in the osdrawer page for Haiku Wifi is because Colin has ported all of into the main Haiku repo now, where he's added many more drivers and infrastructure already.

http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/driv...

But anyway, he is also busy with school now, and only working on it a little bit each day. Several people have been testing the various drivers out though. Note: Still no proper WPA, etc. yet until that part of the software stack is ported/written.

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