Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 31st Dec 2009 01:41 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Just before Christmas Songbird 1.4.0 was released, and a new fix versions was released today as 1.4.3. Songbird now supports MSC storage devices and CD ripping, bringing the app one step closer to replacing iTunes for some users. What's particularly interesting is that Songbird now specifically pushes their product against users of Android, Nokia and Palm smartphones -- which is something I also suggested a few months too. Hopefully Google, Nokia, and Palm will get behind the small team in San Francisco to help out the cause, since it's also on their best interest too.
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RE[2]: Awful
by lemur2 on Thu 31st Dec 2009 04:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Awful"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

It IS slow (P4 at 3Ghz here). But then again, iTunes doesn't fly on Windows either.

And besides, that's why I wrote that Palm, Google and Nokia should HELP these guys. Because they already have done the bulk of the work, and they have the framework, all it now requires is polish.


Why would Nokia want to help Songbird?

There are already the following very capable players that run purely on Nokia's platform (which is Qt):

VLC
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

SMPlayer
http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/

qmmp (like Winamp, lightweight)
http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/index_en.php

cuberok (like Amarok, no KDE dependency, works on Mac)
http://code.google.com/p/cuberok/

Quasar (for handhelds)
http://freshmeat.net/projects/quasar-media-player

and the following which also require kdelibs as well as Qt:

Amarok (the most capable, works with iPods)
http://amarok.kde.org/

Juk (KDE 3.x)
http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/juk.html

All of these media players (some of them are also music collection managers) work far faster than Songbird.

Most of them require only Nokia's Qt platform (which includes Windows, Mac and Linux).

Edited 2009-12-31 04:43 UTC

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RE[3]: Awful
by Eugenia on Thu 31st Dec 2009 05:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Awful"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Your comment makes no sense. Just because Songbird doesn't run on Qt doesn't make it useless for Nokia. None of the players you mention have all the features of Songbird. Amarok is close, but it is not ported to Mac/Win to run on its own, AFAIK.

As for Songbird not being fast: iTunes is not fast either on Windows. Didn't stop it.

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RE[4]: Awful
by lemur2 on Thu 31st Dec 2009 06:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Awful"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Your comment makes no sense. Just because Songbird doesn't run on Qt doesn't make it useless for Nokia. None of the players you mention have all the features of Songbird. Amarok is close, but it is not ported to Mac/Win to run on its own, AFAIK.

As for Songbird not being fast: iTunes is not fast either on Windows. Didn't stop it.


Songbird requirements are too steep for almost all of Nokia's devices:

http://getsongbird.com/system-requirements.php

The features that Songbird appears to support:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_%28software%29#Featur...
that are not supported by faster players are DRM-related (including Fariplay and Windows Media DRM on Windows platforms).

Songbird appears to be constrained to x86(-64) architectures (probably due to DRM and binary codecs):
Cross-platform compatibility with Windows XP, Vista, Mac OS X v10.5 (x86, x86-64) and Linux (x86, x86-64).


All things considered, especially considering Nokia's current multimedia devices (which are mostly not x86)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N900
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N97

The one exception might be the Nokia Booklet 3G which uses an Atom processor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_booklet_3g

Given that most of Nokia's multimedia devices either won't run Songbird, or won't run it well, and also given that Nokia could choose from a growing selection of quality Qt-based software, Nokia's choices for media players probably wouldn't include Songbird.

PS: media players specifically designed for Maemo include:
http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/
Kagu, Canola2, UKMP, Mplayer, KMplayer, WorldTV99, YouAmp and MediaBox.

Edited 2009-12-31 06:37 UTC

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RE[3]: Awful
by rhavenn on Thu 31st Dec 2009 22:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Awful"
rhavenn Member since:
2006-05-12

My personal favorite: MOC / MOCP http://moc.daper.net/

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