Linked by Kroc Camen on Fri 1st Jan 2010 15:36 UTC
Opera Software HTML5 Video is coming to Opera 10.5. Yesterday (or technically, last year--happy new year readers!) Opera released a new alpha build containing a preview of their HTML5 Video support. There's a number of details to note, not least that this is still an early alpha...
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RE[8]: Opera....
by wumip on Sun 3rd Jan 2010 15:10 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Opera...."
wumip
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2009-08-20

The competition is hurt because WK is tailored to Apple's needs, not to mention Apple's patents and talk about enforcing them lately.

Also, consider things like video where Apple's WK will have support for one thing, but everyone else will have to license it separately. That kills the "WK is free" mantra, as you will have to pay huge license fees for the video decoding technology.

It is NOT in the interest of other companies to help Apple make licensed video codecs win the web video war. Apple already has a license. Everyone else will have to pay an insanely expensive license fee to the codec rights holders.

Apple will push for licensed, proprietary technologies on the web because it will give them a huge advantage over anyone else who chooses WK.

Oh, and everyone is not using WK at all. They never will. Phones are getting faster. Gecko is a joke on phones now, but will do well in the future.

Edited 2010-01-03 15:20 UTC

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RE[9]: Opera....
by KugelKurt on Sun 3rd Jan 2010 17:38 in reply to "RE[8]: Opera...."
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

The competition is hurt because WK is tailored to Apple's needs

Those are? Which of Apple's needs hurt WebKit and the competition?
Give facts with proof.

not to mention Apple's patents and talk about enforcing them lately.

Which talk exactly? Which patents are affected by WebKit?
Give facts with proof.

Also, consider things like video where Apple's WK will have support for one thing, but everyone else will have to license it separately.

WebKit does not render videos at all. That is delegated to external frameworks. Vendors are free to choose a framework. There is no video decoder present in WebKit's source tree.
You should check the facts before making such claims. Or can you show the exact location within WebKit's source repository that support for specific video formats is hard-coded into WebKit?

Oh, and everyone is not using WK at all. They never will. Phones are getting faster. Gecko is a joke on phones now, but will do well in the future.

Why are Nokia, Google, Palm, and GNOME using WebKit and not putting work into Gecko?

You were forgetting those:
A.) Give proof that Apple is controlling WebKit. Which special rights to Apple committers have compared to others?

B.) Give proof that the WebKit ports are forks. Show that Nokia is not committing directly to the WebKit repository. The article you are linking to all the time does not give proof that different ports are forks.

C.) Give proof that there is a power struggle between Google and Apple over WebKit control.

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RE[10]: Opera....
by wumip on Sun 3rd Jan 2010 17:51 in reply to "RE[9]: Opera...."
wumip Member since:
2009-08-20

Which of Apple's needs hurt WebKit and the competition?

The fact that WK is made into what Apple needs it for, not necessarily what everyone else needs.

Which talk exactly? Which patents are affected by WebKit?

You didn't read about how Apple talked about going after people who violated their patents?

http://www.precentral.net/apple-suiting-sue-palm-over-pre

Quote: "We are ready to suit up and go against anyone."

You have no clue about browser patents? Maybe you should educate yourself instead of discussing here, then.

WebKit does not render videos at all. That is delegated to external frameworks. Vendors are free to choose a framework. There is no video decoder present in WebKit's source tree.

Exactly. Apple wouldn't have it any other way. Apple wants to keep the video closed and proprietary to get another advantage.

Give proof that the WebKit ports are forks.

Read the PPK article again. I'm getting tired about having to educate you about basic stuff everyone should already know before discussing this.

Give proof that there is a power struggle between Google and Apple over WebKit control.

Why would I give proof for a straw man?

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