Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Jan 2010 20:01 UTC
Internet Explorer It would appear that Microsoft will finally take standards compliance in the browser world seriously, after dragging its feet for years. Back in November 2009, the Redmond giant already revealed that Internet Explorer 9 would come with CSS3 and HTML5 support, and now the cup runneth over, as Microsoft has requested to join the W3C's SVG Working Group.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by nt_jerkface on Thu 7th Jan 2010 04:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

Agreed; that is the only reason why I have Flash installed - so I can watch YouTube. If there was no need to use Flash with YouTube, it would be the first thing I would uninstall if I had the chance. The problem is that there are still large numbers of online stores that use Flash extensively unfortunately - and Microsoft dragging their heals isn't helping the situation.


Why would those stores switch to HTML5 when everyone installs Flash? It isn't as if HTML5 offers bandwidth savings. There isn't a default codec so are you suggesting that those stores build multiple formats? What is to be gained?

If you want to blame anyone for holding back HTML5 video it is Google, not Microsoft. Google is the one that keeps youtube in Flash even though they have the resources to convert the videos to the Theora format. But guess what? They don't want to. Sure they ship Chrome with Theora support but that doesn't matter when they keep youtube in Flash. As you said that's why you install Flash in the first place. Most people will install anything to watch youtube. Does Google take advantage of this to move the web away from flash? Nope, in fact they have partnered with Adobe to bring flash to their phones.


As for draft; the whole HTML5 might be in 'draft' but there are parts of the draft that are finalised and static; they've already been hashed out and all the parties agree with it - why not implement those ones?


HTML5 is really all about video. Flash has been the bane for alternative operating systems which is why HTML5 is being pushed.

If you think browsers should support subsets of HTML5 then state them, but people shouldn't bash IE for not following HTML5 when the W3C explicitly describes it as a working draft.
http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/05/_watching_the_google_io.html


Quite frankly, to put up the issue about IE6 for the bad reputation of Internet Explorer in general is disingenuous - the issue goes well beyond simply that of Internet Explorer and covers the entire company culture that encourages balkanisation of standards, obstructing standards from being developed or simply standing back not doing anything to improve standards then turn around a month later after it has been standardised simply to bad mouth it.


You have a grudge against Microsoft that prevents you from judging their products individually. That's ok, it's a common bias.

However try not to let your hatred blind you from the current reality of Google buddying up with Adobe which will ensure that Flash is around for another 10 years.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by kaiwai on Thu 7th Jan 2010 04:53 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You have a grudge against Microsoft that prevents you from judging their products individually. That's ok, it's a common bias.

However try not to let your hatred blind you from the current reality of Google buddying up with Adobe which will ensure that Flash is around for another 10 years.


I have a common bias against Microsoft? then what the heck do you call this:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?402924

Apparently I heap praise on Microsoft and apparently I am against Microsoft overall. Nice to see that you ignore my other posts regarding Microsoft; it isn't an all or none approach; I attack what I dislike and I heap praise on what I do like.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by nt_jerkface on Thu 7th Jan 2010 05:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I have a common bias against Microsoft? then what the heck do you call this: http://www.osnews.com/permalink?402924


Half of your reply to me was a rant against Microsoft.

I don't really care about your other posts. Maybe you have a love/hate relationship.

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