Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 5th Oct 2005 07:44 UTC, submitted by Dan
FreeBSD BSDForums interviews FreeBSD Release Engineering Team's Scott Long relating to various aspects of FreeBSD. Topics discussed include FreeBSD general issues, its academic roots, how FreeBSD compares to other BSDs - OpenBSD, NetBSD, and the ongoing debate on FreeBSD vs. Linux. Scott gives us his perspective on the corporate adoption and popularity of FreeBSD. He brings us up to speed on FreeBSD 6.0, its new features and enhancements, including Apple G4 PowerMac, AMD64 and wireless compatibility. Scott also discusses FreeBSD 6.0's upgrade path and release timetable.
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by on Wed 5th Oct 2005 10:04 UTC

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The whole thing of Linux VS BSD, I really do think BSD is far superior, technically speaking. There are things I don't like about the Linux kernel, but not really for technical reasons, aside from the file structure, that could be more unified and simplyfied. For those of you that have had a look at and read the source for Linux and any BSD, wouldn't you agree BSD is better designed and function given what it does and how it seems to be designed to work? When I say about reading the source for Linux, I'm talking just a straight download from kernal.org and look at that, and not the source for any distribution with X window and all the other add ons on top of the Linux kernel.

But s far as FreeBSD, specifically 6.0, I tried beta 2 or 3 awhile ago, it's now at beta 5, and it defineately did a better job setting my system automatically then 5.4 did, like setting up DNS, hostname, username. I just hope PC-BSD does not put out their official 1.0 release until they switch to the FreeBSD 6.0 kernel.

I'm just glad that at least Scott mentioned that ALL open source OS's really lack end-user support. I am a very big nay-sayer that to constatly refer people back to message boards, forums, FAQ's, and mailing lists just does not cut it. That's why I provide full technical help for anyone's computer that I install any Linux or BSD on. How are open source operating systems ever gonna get into mainstream desktop and laptops if people have keep searching on the net for answers instead of giving their computer to someone to fix something that broke in their Linux or BSD system. I mean really, how many people are willing to offer full technical support or assistance to say 15 complete strangers to help fix their open source operating system for them, and not try to tell that what to do. Until there is a significnt number of computer techies(as in at least 1 or 2 in any computer repair business) the can repair or fix any propblem with any operating system out there that can be used on any modern computer(the last 4 years), only then will alternative OS's become more widely used in homes that does not have anyone who's into computer's living there. Like if someone is fulltime employed, plus married, plus raising kids, how can they always be searching message boards or forums about problems for answers, that's what I meant about just letting a techie fix their Linux or BSD system instead of them trying to bother with anything.

Sorry about this long post, but I did so to make a few points, even if you do think it's only trolling, I'm really not if you give proper careful consideration to what I'm saying and just leave your opinion behind just for a few minutes.

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by Mystilleef on Wed 5th Oct 2005 11:12 in reply to ","
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2005-06-29

The Internet is a fortress of knowledge and bullshit. Today, many people routinely use the Internet to shop, pay their bills, find their heritage, look for their soul mate, indulge in forbidden fantasies, research, among other unimaginable and imaginable activities. Why then is seeking information about a computer problem regarding Linux or FreeBSD on the InterWeb evil?

Do me a favor. The first thing you should do when you introduce novice users to computers, Linux or FreeBSD is to launch a web browser pointing to Google. Then proceed to tell them the answer to life's questions is before them. Forgive my hyperbole.

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by butters on Wed 5th Oct 2005 12:10 in reply to "RE: ,"
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2005-07-08

"Why then is seeking information about a computer problem regarding Linux or FreeBSD on the InterWeb evil?"

I'm not the GP, but I agree with his argument. I think we can all agree that the best place to seek information on Linux and/or FreeBSD is the Internet. Even for the biggest of businesses, the Internet is the best place to go to see what's out there. In terms of growing the free software movement, the Internet is how we raise awareness and acquire users.

However, for a large portion of the market, the Internet is not a viable solution for KEEPING users. When businesses encounter a problem, they want immediate support. When computer-challenged home users have problems, they want to know who they can call to get help. The existing resources don't address these demands.

Free software can acquire business customers and home users with the Internet, but it can't keep them happy that way. They need a number that they can call to get help. They need be able buy a support contract that guarantees support on demand or be able to pay a reasonable fee for each support incident.

Most people prefer crappy software with decent support to decent software with crappy support.

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by jessta on Wed 5th Oct 2005 12:41 in reply to ","
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2005-08-17

Free software is created by developers for developers.
We release the source code so others can improve the software so we have the use of better software.
It's quite a selfish thing.

Users serve no use but to file bug reports.
If a user doesn't understand enough about the software they are using to file a bug then they are useless to the community.

If a user must go to the effort of learning about their software to take advantage of free software instead of running to tech support everytime something goes wrong then they will also learn enough to file bugs.

A lot of users refuse to learn. They are of no use to the free software community and would therefore be leeching.
Learning is good for everyone.

- Jesse McNelis

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by John Nilsson on Wed 5th Oct 2005 13:35 in reply to "RE[2]: ,"
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2005-07-06

I just want to add to this (agree completley) that I didn't migrate to Linux (the same statement applies) because I thogut that it would be or will be a great PnP desktop appliance aimed at my mum and dad.

I went linux because I liked the parts that where aimed at _me_ a geek and a hoppy developer.

I would thus be happier if future "usabilliy studies" and HIG's where based on the assumption that the majority of users are tech savvy geeks and power users.

Ok, this was OT, sorry. Carry on discussing FreeBSD. Any more thoughts on GNU vs. BSD (as oposed to the ever boring Linux)?

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by Wintermute on Wed 5th Oct 2005 13:56 in reply to "RE[2]: ,"
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2005-07-30

Fair enough, though this doesn't apply to all projects, some projects like Firefox are capable of being user-focused.

Users serve no use but to file bug reports.

Well, with such an attitude you'll never be able to reach wide acceptance and wide acceptance is what you need if you want BSD to be truelly useable (even for power users, think of things like drivers for BSD, plugins etc).

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