Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jan 2010 00:27 UTC
Google So, I was about to go to bed when major news regarding Google and China hit my browser. Google has stated on its blog that after a number of attacks upon Google's servers, and attempted cracking of GMail accounts from Chinese human rights activists, the company is thinking of ceasing its operations in China. Google will, in any case, cease censoring search results on Google.cn.
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RE: Bravo, Good Show!
by linumax on Wed 13th Jan 2010 06:55 UTC in reply to "Bravo, Good Show!"
linumax
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2007-02-07

It would work better if others follow, that is MSN, Yahoo!, Twitter, Facebook, etc. That will put some pressure on China.

Chinese government likes the money a free market system brings, but doesn't want the other freedoms that come along with it. It's time to let them know it's all or nothing.

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RE[2]: Bravo, Good Show!
by Ford Prefect on Wed 13th Jan 2010 09:29 in reply to "RE: Bravo, Good Show!"
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2006-01-16

Nice try. As if China would give a shit about MSN (already not there any more), Facebook, Yahoo. Or even Twitter.

Nobody does. They have their own search engine (Baidu) which is probably the real reason #1 why Google is comfortable with letting the chinese market go. They have their own (controlled) other services as well.

They just don't need it and propaganda in China will simply tell that Twitter & Co is evil and forbidden. Problem solved for China.

Next idea? Probably not to lend money from China anymore -- U.S. government would be f--ked then; not to import steel from China anymore (50% or so of Steel market is in Chinese hands) -- economy would go to a halt again. Etc. These would be the real deals, not some lame social networking service.

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RE[2]: Bravo, Good Show!
by SReilly on Wed 13th Jan 2010 13:39 in reply to "RE: Bravo, Good Show!"
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2006-12-28

Chinese government likes the money a free market system brings, but doesn't want the other freedoms that come along with it.

What makes you think that one necessarily equates the other? Frankly, a free market economy has absolutely nothing to do with political freedom, as Iran and China have shown.

You wouldn't happen to be a US citizen by any chance? Frankly, Americans can be forgiven for thinking such fallacies are true considering the vast amount of control the capitalist have over eduction and the media in their country.

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RE[3]: Bravo, Good Show!
by pompous stranger on Wed 13th Jan 2010 17:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Bravo, Good Show!"
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2006-05-28

It is unlikely you can develop a robust market economy without a viable middle class, which cannot stabilize without political freedom — that is to say, political power.

Otherwise you can't get the innovation and consumer confidence you need to drive market expansion; people hoard under political stress and that's exactly what China's saving rate indicates is going on.

China's gone very far by developing raw resources, bringing in foreign companies and engaging in industrial espionage, but eventually they'll have to stop borrowing from Western political and cultural capital and develop their own "free market of ideas" if they want to take the next step to a mature economy.

But feel free to ignore me, I'm just a dumb American.

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RE[2]: Bravo, Good Show!
by Governa on Wed 13th Jan 2010 22:01 in reply to "RE: Bravo, Good Show!"
Governa Member since:
2006-04-09

It would work better if others follow, that is MSN, Yahoo!, Twitter, Facebook, etc. That will put some pressure on China.


I'm sorry don't take this as a personal attack but I really have to say: I don't know what surprises me the most... your comment or the fact that you have +5 mod.

Do you really think in your wildest dreams that pulling Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, The Mickey Mouse Blog or whatever, out from China, is going to put even the slightest bit of pressure on the Chinese Gov?

The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, now that was pressure and look how it ended! Social networking pressure? That's almost insulting...

Either you were being sarcastic or you are really naive.

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