Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jan 2010 00:27 UTC
Google So, I was about to go to bed when major news regarding Google and China hit my browser. Google has stated on its blog that after a number of attacks upon Google's servers, and attempted cracking of GMail accounts from Chinese human rights activists, the company is thinking of ceasing its operations in China. Google will, in any case, cease censoring search results on Google.cn.
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RE[3]: Less evil?
by boblowski on Wed 13th Jan 2010 18:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Less evil?"
boblowski
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2007-07-23

The Han are not the only people in China, don't you get it! Of course the Han will agree, they're on top oppressing the rest of their minorities - or didn't you know that?

If you read my post again, you'll see we're in perfect agreement on this. No need to accuse me of ignorance, I'm very well aware of the ethnic make-up of China.

Of course people side with their government if they're being presented with a particular point of view (reinforcing cultural tendencies to defer to authority).

Not quite, the interesting point put forward by 'someone' is that most or many Chinese are very well aware of criticism on their local and national government and in many cases even subscribe to this criticism. The 'they are ignorant, we enlighten then, all will be well' line of thought doesn't explain, let alone change, anything.

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RE[4]: Less evil?
by StaubSaugerNZ on Wed 13th Jan 2010 21:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Less evil?"
StaubSaugerNZ Member since:
2007-07-13

"The Han are not the only people in China, don't you get it! Of course the Han will agree, they're on top oppressing the rest of their minorities - or didn't you know that?

If you read my post again, you'll see we're in perfect agreement on this. No need to accuse me of ignorance, I'm very well aware of the ethnic make-up of China.

Of course people side with their government if they're being presented with a particular point of view (reinforcing cultural tendencies to defer to authority).

Not quite, the interesting point put forward by 'someone' is that most or many Chinese are very well aware of criticism on their local and national government and in many cases even subscribe to this criticism. The 'they are ignorant, we enlighten then, all will be well' line of thought doesn't explain, let alone change, anything.
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It's not a matter of enlightening them. It is a matter of removing most of the censorship so they can be properly informed. They can then decide their own future based on better information than they have now. That is the whole point of this discussion. But someone had to say that the censorship was good because it resulted in a stable China - that's where the fuse was lit.

Personally I don't have a problem if China has a communist government. I can see the possibility that it could work better than alternatives (eg. US style elections). However at the moment it doesn't appear to be.

But my point was not that there should be direct "regime change" but that the people should know what their government is up to without the government controlling what gets reported. The label of the government matters far less than what it does.

If independent courts and media were allowed in China there would no doubt be a corresponding reduction in corruption and improvement in governance. Would this not be better for the Chinese citizenry and also the rest of the world?

Google's stand (for selfish reasons or not) is a step in the right direction.

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