Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jan 2010 23:52 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard today announced a three-year $250 million partnership to simplify IT environments through a wide range of converged hardware, software, and professional services solutions. This is a broad agreement with many components, building on the 25-year Microsoft-HP partnership, which works toward new models for application delivery, hardware architecture, and IT operations. The goal is to deliver the "next generation computing platform" by leading the adoption of cloud computing.
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RE[2]: Wasted Money
by Mapou on Thu 14th Jan 2010 07:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Wasted Money"
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Most businesses will be using cloud computing to run parallel applications in the future. Why? because that is where computing is going. Why should any business invest millions in a system that is not built from the ground up to support parallel applications in a secure and reliable environment? And why should anybody invest in infrastructure that is bound to be obsolete the minute it becomes operational? That's pure lunacy.

The industry has an unprecedented opportunity to abandon a flawed and incredibly insecure software paradigm and do things right for a change. But I am not holding my breath. It's a sure bet they're going to f*ck it up the best they can, as they've been doing for the last half century.

I say it's time to throw away all that old uncomfortable and flimsy furniture and change to something better. But, by all means, if you can get a piece of that 250 million, do not let me stop you. Just don't say you weren't warned when some unknown startup pops out with a solution that blows everybody out of the water, Microsoft, HP and Intel included. And there shall be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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RE[3]: Wasted Money
by shotsman on Thu 14th Jan 2010 08:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Wasted Money"
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Most businesses are very conservative when it comes to risk.
Cloud Computing is the latest 'hot thing'. Many 'hot things' have come and gone over the years. Many have simply died a death. I can remember one hugely hyped 'hot thing' called 'The Last One'. Billed as the only program you would ever need.

Frankly, if I proposed using cloud computing to any of my customers i'd be laughed out of the door unless the cloud was hosted inside their business. Then they'd take great pleasure in pointing out the similarity between the Cloud and how their old Mainframes used to work.

For me, Cloud Computing does not have (At this point in time) a compelling USP. Until it does then this technology will remain in the infants school and be nowhere near graduating into the mainstream.

I recon that this deal between MS & HP will result in one of two things.
a) It dies a slow withering death like many previous MS & xx colaboration projects.
b) MS will take over and what bit of crappy software emerges will be the thing that MS salesmen hupe to death. HP will get no benefit from this whatsoever. MS will claim that they invented Cloud Computing and some businesses will rush to implement the MS version of the could only to find themselves left high & dry when because it didn't reach the outlandish profit marging expected MS cans the whole thing like the did with 'Plays for Sure'

Yes, I'm very sceptical about this. I will be very pleasantly surprised if this succeeds. I fully expect some startup to emerge with it done right. Then it will be bought by one of the big boys who will ruin it all and the end users are no better served than before.

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Cloud computing is just an evolution
by dragos.pop on Thu 14th Jan 2010 11:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Wasted Money"
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Cloud computing will not die so fast because is nothing totaly new. It is an evolution of computer clustures to what companies need.

For years we have email, web, file... servers each running on it's own server for security reasons. Each of this servers with at least another backup server, but all with a single user.

This means that a user with it's id and password, can connect to all of the company's services on diferent servers.

Now virtualisation appears: one array of server computers can host any number of virtual servers that can move from server to server so that some computers ca be shut down for power economy or mentenance.

So now a service is not connected to a phisical server and multiple servicies can run on the same hardware without the disadvantages of 5 yers ago.

More: Creation and stopping of virtual and phisical servers ca be automated based on load.

This is just a cluster with more than one service with high decoupling between hardware and software.
Outsourcing your servers: the new thing here is that you can run the service that you developed on a machine that Amazon or Microsoft has.
Also new - diffrent providers can be connected: what you write on twitter can apear on facebook together with the photos from flicker. This is not interesting for companies for now.

This is why investing in cloud computing is not waste money because it is the same as investing in mainframes 25 years ago: mainframes are dead but there legacy are todays clusters - they are not some big unix computers but many small linux/windows/unix computers.

The only question: will Microsoft be the client's choice? Linux seems batter because it can be private and can cooperate with Amazon and other standard solutions. So nothing new: closed Microsoft solutions or opened ones. Don't jump to conclusions, Microsoft has a good share in servers and can keep it.
Cloud computing is, after all, server business, only more flexibile.

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RE[3]: Wasted Money
by Yamin on Thu 14th Jan 2010 15:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Wasted Money"
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Since industry is so 'screwed up'... why don't you show the world what you can do.

Get out there, start a company, and relieve us from this hell we are in, but don't recognize.

If Google can start up from scratch in someone's garage, don't tell me, it's not possible to take on the big boys.

Put your money, time, and effort where your ideas are.

As for me, I see little problem with how things are working now or where they are headed. For the rare complex parallel tasks... we have the trend towards the GPU-CPU. The rest is left on our regular sequential machines and distributed work loads.

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RE[4]: Wasted Money
by Mapou on Thu 14th Jan 2010 20:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Wasted Money"
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Yamin wrote:

Since industry is so 'screwed up'...

It's screwed up, alright. Big time.

why don't you show the world what you can do.

I have been showing the world what the real problem is and what the solution is for a long time. Nobody's listening. You are not listening either. But just in case, if you got about 10 or 20 million $ spare change lying around, throw it my way and I'll see what I can do. See you guys around.

Edited 2010-01-14 20:12 UTC

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