Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Jan 2010 23:00 UTC, submitted by Cytor
Legal Ah, a lovely bit of news that to help us start the weekend off with positive thoughts! A UK jury has unanimously acquitted Alan Ellis, founder and administrator of the invitation-only OiNK music bittorrent tracker. This means that his 2 year-long trial has finally come to an end - there's no more room for appeal.
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RE[3]: Oink, oink
by ssa2204 on Sun 17th Jan 2010 01:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Oink, oink"
ssa2204
Member since:
2006-04-22

I disagree entirely. Pirating music actually helps the artists in ways that are not directly visible....


Have you asked these artists their permission to pirate their property? If not, I suppose then you will seriously shut the f--k up if your car is ever stolen, or you lose your wallet and someone uses your credit cards. What's that? That is wrong because they don't have your permission to take your car or money? Seriously, grow up.

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RE[4]: Oink, oink
by SReilly on Sun 17th Jan 2010 01:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Oink, oink"
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2006-12-28

You obviously don't understand copyright otherwise you would understand that it is not their property, it is in fact every bodies property so until you actually learn what your talking about, I suggest you STFU and grow up.

There is a wealth of information on copyright available right here on the web. Do yourself a favour and google it, maybe then you won't look like such a fool the next time you start running at the mouth.

Google is your friend, I suggest you start using it.

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RE[5]: Oink, oink
by ssa2204 on Sun 17th Jan 2010 10:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Oink, oink"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

You obviously don't understand copyright otherwise you would understand that it is not their property, it is in fact every bodies property so until you actually learn what your talking about, I suggest you STFU and grow up.

There is a wealth of information on copyright available right here on the web. Do yourself a favour and google it, maybe then you won't look like such a fool the next time you start running at the mouth.

Google is your friend, I suggest you start using it.


Every bodies property....well that's a good one. So now you claim the music you pirate is your property as well, when in reality you are either too cheap, too poor, or just living with a twisted sense of self entitlement. Ok buddy, good defense.

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RE[4]: Oink, oink
by quackalist on Sun 17th Jan 2010 02:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Oink, oink"
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2007-08-27

If anyone cares to copy anything I own while leaving me with the original they're welcome.

Once "stuff" can be copied digitally at virtually no cost then the value of "stuff" will tend to virtually nothing unless, somehow, you can inhibit copying and therefore reintroduce a fictive scarcity. I've seen no evidence that in the case of music and increasingly films, with ever increasing download speeds, such inhibitions are within the grasp of anyone now the gene is out of the bottle.

Course, for "stuff" to be produced it has to be paid for somehow; but, for music anyway, there's noway the "somehow" will survive as it is now.

Mind, though I don't buy nearly as many CD's as I used to I still buy far more then your average consumer who have never bought that many anyway. So, expect, I'm your typical music loving serial downloader;)

Economically, I'd imagine, the "average consumer" on mass provides the vast amount of music industry profits and as they can download, in mp3, a great deal more in a day then they'd have bought in a year it doesn't take a genius...

Edited 2010-01-17 02:19 UTC

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RE[4]: Oink, oink
by WereCatf on Sun 17th Jan 2010 03:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Oink, oink"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Have you asked these artists their permission to pirate their property? If not, I suppose then you will seriously shut the f--k up if your car is ever stolen, or you lose your wallet and someone uses your credit cards. What's that? That is wrong because they don't have your permission to take your car or money? Seriously, grow up.

While I don't like piracy, I atleast can understand how it benefits artists: they get broader fan base, pirates often share their favorite songs with their friends and so on. And sometimes those friends end up going to concerts, buying all kinds of extra material and legal copies of those songs. As such, pirates only provide artists with free advertising.

Now, your argument about someone stealing a car...well, it's a twisted argument here. Artists do NOT lose anything concrete when their songs are pirated; they lose no physical materials, they lose no money, they lose no goods or any kinds... They just don't get anything either. In the case a car gets stolen then it is an actual physical object and the owner loses something.

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RE[5]: Oink, oink
by quackalist on Sun 17th Jan 2010 04:45 in reply to "RE[4]: Oink, oink"
quackalist Member since:
2007-08-27

You seem to have a rather simplistic view on what Property is. Certainly it's not a God given right, whatever you might think it is, and I can't remember anyone asking me if I, or anyone other then corporations, agreed with the endless extension of copyright or anything else relating to the production and reproduction of music.

You may trot out Artists rights but they also come well down the totem pole too.

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