Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Jan 2010 23:38 UTC, submitted by OSGuy
Legal Just when you thought the legal battle between Nokia and Apple couldn't get any more convoluted, Apple has filed its own complaint with the US International Trade Commission, seeking to have Nokia's products banned from the US market because they infringe on Apple's patents.
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Correct me please,if I'm wrong
by Budd on Mon 18th Jan 2010 10:10 UTC
Budd
Member since:
2005-07-08

Apple does not produce hardware (chips,screens etc) but they buy them instead. These manufacturers already pay for the patents Nokia have. It looks to me that Nokia is trying to double charge here the patent tax. I really don't think Nokia is the good guy here. Not like Apple would be the good guy but what is fair,is fair.

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crocodile Member since:
2010-01-18

Unfortunately, you are wrong Budd . Some royalties and license fees are passed to the customers who buy the chip/hardware to make the phone.

Edited 2010-01-18 10:34 UTC

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Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

OK,but Apple are not members of the GSM assoc. so the RAND terms would not apply to them,correct?

http://www.gsmworld.com/membership/associate_members.htm

Edited 2010-01-18 10:45 UTC

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fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

Unfortunately, you are wrong Budd . Some royalties and license fees are passed to the customers who buy the chip/hardware to make the phone.


This is fair. I also have to add that everything should be standrdized (no proprietary drivers) and pass the cost to consumers. A fair and open society.

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dragos.pop Member since:
2010-01-08

Apple does not produce hardware (chips,screens etc) but they buy them instead. These manufacturers already pay for the patents Nokia have. It looks to me that Nokia is trying to double charge here the patent tax. I really don't think Nokia is the good guy here. Not like Apple would be the good guy but what is fair,is fair.


I don't know what patents are involved, and what is there license but i am shure that:
1) there are some software patents
2) there can be patents not covering chips but how they are conected and controled
3) there can be license that apply to the integrator
4) foxcon, the producer of the phone, does not have any license for these patents (some chip providers might have, but not all Nokia patents are coverd)

Also, I understood that Nokia does not ask for money, but a patent agreement: you are free to use my patents and I am free to use your patents

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ariarinen Member since:
2009-02-07

Apple does not produce hardware (chips,screens etc) but they buy them instead. These manufacturers already pay for the patents Nokia have. It looks to me that Nokia is trying to double charge here the patent tax. I really don't think Nokia is the good guy here. Not like Apple would be the good guy but what is fair,is fair.
The deals in-place between chip makers and patentholders is written that the end customer of the chip pays the royalty fees, rather then the chip maker!

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Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

Would you please back this with a document/link etc. Basically, a contract between Apple and,say,Qualcomm.Apple not being part of the GSM association (at least this morning they weren't) they are not bound to the RAND terms.
Thank you.
PS: is not like I don't believe,but I didn't see any official info. Media is saying Apple thinks it pays too much (which is BS since they must have access to the contract numbers) or that Nokia is seeking patent for patent (again,pure speculation).

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