Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Jan 2010 16:06 UTC, submitted by fireball
ReactOS The ReactOS project aims to be an open source Windows NT-compatible operating system which can run Windows applications and utilise Windows drivers. Obviously, this is quite a daunting task, and as such, progress has been relatively slow. As a result, project coordinator and kernel developer Aleksey Bragin has proposed a rather drastic solution.
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Waste of time
by diegoviola on Mon 18th Jan 2010 17:37 UTC
diegoviola
Member since:
2006-08-15

ReactOS is a waste of time, people should just improve on Linux/Wine.

I say this is a waste of time because clearly, ReactOS is not going anywhere, they don't have enough manpower and Linux architecture is much better than NT anyway.

Linux is also much more mature and has lots of people contributing to it every day, the same could be said with Wine, Linux/Wine also have support from companies, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think ReactOS is a bad project or anything, but I don't see them going anywhere unless they get serious and start to get support from companies, or full time paid developers working on it every day.

I think it would be wise to just work on improving Wine rather than wasting time on a big project like ReactOS that requires much more manpower than what they currently have, ReactOS is clearly not going anywhere, and by the time they get somewhere, it will be too late already because Windows will be 1000 years ahead.

Working on improving Wine and running Wine on top of unix-like OS'es is a much better idea IMHO.

Edited 2010-01-18 17:53 UTC

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RE: Waste of time
by jabbotts on Mon 18th Jan 2010 17:46 in reply to "Waste of time"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

ReactOS is a waste of time, people should just improve Linux/WINE

Linux is a waste of time, people should just improve BSD
BSD is a waste of time, people should just improve Unix
Unix is a waste of time, people should just improve VMS

(Let me guess, you use some flavor of Linux and find developers volunteering there time for non-Linux related projects downright offensive right?)

And, the reasons for a win32 native alternative are probably just as valid today as when they motivated the starting of the ReactOS project. It'd be nice to be able to buy an OS from someone other than Microsoft just because one has to run some win32 app.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by diegoviola on Mon 18th Jan 2010 18:12 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

ReactOS is a waste of time, people should just improve Linux/WINE

Linux is a waste of time, people should just improve BSD
BSD is a waste of time, people should just improve Unix
Unix is a waste of time, people should just improve VMS

(Let me guess, you use some flavor of Linux and find developers volunteering there time for non-Linux related projects downright offensive right?)


No, I am not an extremist like that, I do support other projects other than Linux, I also use BSD, and Windows when I have to. I am open to use whatever software in order to get done with the work, I use the best tool for the job and am neutral when it comes to software.

I really wish the best for ReactOS, and I hope they succeed, I would love to see a free implementation of Windows, and I would love if they work closely with the Wine team, I know having a free implementation of Windows will benefit everyone, I am just saying that they have very big envisions and goals and not enough man power. There is nothing wrong with that, but I'm afraid that if that continues to be the case, by the time they reach to the 1.0 stage, with the current man power they have, it will take a lot of time for them and it will be too late already because Windows will be much more ahead.

I hope I'm wrong though, and I hope they get more man power and succeed with their project.

And, the reasons for a win32 native alternative are probably just as valid today as when they motivated the starting of the ReactOS project. It'd be nice to be able to buy an OS from someone other than Microsoft just because one has to run some win32 app.


Sure, that would be great ;) .

Edited 2010-01-18 18:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by Googol on Mon 18th Jan 2010 18:18 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

I think you are way off the mark here. While you could argue for most things that double effort is wasted effort (to which I wouldn't light-heartedly sign up to re. your examples), all these projects you mentioned have actually produced some quality, usable code.

But with ReactOS, the waste really lies in that it has never gone anywhere - if I am not doing it great unjustice. I feel like having deja-vus for like a decade... everytime ReactOS gets a mention, I get the impression they got like 98% to go still. That's the difference, others may be wasteful, but they are getting somewhere nonetheless. Not that I care - just saying...

I accept I am doing ReactOS injustice if you were to tell me that actually, it will be as complete and usable as, say Ubuntu, within the next 2-3 years. Or else, yes, it is a waste of time that has been going on for a very long time. People can tinker with it, fine... only, maybe there comes the day where ReactOS news items are about as useful as Duke Nukem ones ;)

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RE: Waste of time
by fireball on Mon 18th Jan 2010 17:47 in reply to "Waste of time"
fireball Member since:
2006-07-15

Linux architecture is much better than NT anyway.

Prooflink please, or it didn't happen.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by gustl on Mon 18th Jan 2010 19:58 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Well, the NT Kernel isn't that bad, in fact in terms of used concepts it comes quite close to Linux.

The whole operating system is a different beast. Linux has much better separation between user and administrator, simply because Windows has to evolve out of a single-user environment as it tries to be as backwards compatible as possible.

Linux, on the other hand, was multi-user from the very early days on, and if need should arise, backwards compatibility can be broken (it didn't break since 2.4.0, but that just shows good foresight by the developers).

Microsoft may one day be forced to provide built-in virtual machine technology, to be able to get rid of 2 decades of cruft they now have to maintain in the operating system.

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RE[2]: Waste of time
by lemur2 on Tue 19th Jan 2010 11:48 in reply to "RE: Waste of time"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Linux architecture is much better than NT anyway.

Prooflink please, or it didn't happen.
"

Well, here is a place you could start:
http://www.top500.org/stats/list/34/osfam

You could look at the OS that the worlds fastest (and most expensive) computers use ... here are the Top 3:

http://www.top500.org/system/10184
(Linux)

http://www.top500.org/system/10377
(Linux)

http://www.top500.org/system/10185
(here's a surprise ... its Linux again).

Then, you could go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computers

and find a significantly longer list than just Windows on x86 and x86_64 desktops and servers.

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