Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Jan 2010 17:03 UTC
Internet Explorer France has echoed calls by the German government for web users to find an alternative to Microsoft's Internet Explorer to protect security. Certa, a government agency that oversees cyber threats, warned against using all versions of the web browser.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by bert64 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 20:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
bert64
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2007-04-23

But it's a far more serious bug due to the prevalence of windows and ie.

Look at it from a hacker's point of view, you can guarantee that any large corporation or government you want to target will be running windows/ie/msoffice on all their desktops... This is very useful for a hacker, you need 1 exploit, 1 backdoor and 1 skillset.

By contrast, if you couldn't be sure wether your victims ran windows, linux, bsd, mac or whatever else and couldn't be sure if they ran firefox, chrome or opera your attacks become much more difficult. You have to discover what your targets run first, and then look for exploits knowing full well that any exploits you develop will only target a small percentage of your targets.

And from the targets standpoint, having no choice but to use windows/ie is a very bad state because even if unpatched 0day exploits are everywhere, there is very little you can do about it. If you have the freedom to choose your software then it becomes easy to switch if one vendor is failing to fix issues and you can choose the software which best suits you rather than having no choice...
Do you really think google would have been using IE if they had any choice? They make their own browser which is a lot better, there has to be some proprietary apps locking them to ie.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by nt_jerkface on Mon 18th Jan 2010 21:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

But it's a far more serious bug due to the prevalence of windows and ie.


No the problem the prevalence of IE6.

http://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2010/01/15/assessing-risk-of-i...



Do you really think google would have been using IE if they had any choice? They make their own browser which is a lot better, there has to be some proprietary apps locking them to ie.


So why can't they just use IE6 for those apps? I was just helping someone the other day secure an office network and I would have flipped out if I found out they were surfing the internet with IE6.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Barnabyh on Tue 19th Jan 2010 14:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Barnabyh Member since:
2006-02-06

If you're that sort of hacker you're in luck in the UK, all the councils I've worked for here in the last 7 years are using the Win XP/IE6 combo for their apps for Housing and Social Services, and no end in sight. Their excuse is they have hardware firewalls in place.
Some only upgraded a few years ago from Win95.
There are a few open-source solutions at the back end but the desktops and email are all MS.

It's IT heaven ;)

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Shkaba on Tue 19th Jan 2010 00:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

Do you really think google would have been using IE if they had any choice? They make their own browser which is a lot better, there has to be some proprietary apps locking them to ie.


I can't believe this c... So the maker of a superior browser is deliberately using an inferior one, just because of some proprietary app?? If my memory serves me right, ms has issued repeated calls for ie to be upgraded and this stellar company (which has become quite a player in the industry) is locked down due to some app?? This "liberator", of sorts, is locked down by some app that uses all the bad and ugly stuff that ms forced on us?? Un(f...)believable (excuse my french)

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by strcpy on Tue 19th Jan 2010 14:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
strcpy Member since:
2009-05-20

This "liberator", of sorts, is locked down by some app that uses all the bad and ugly stuff that ms forced on us?? Un(f...)believable (excuse my french)


What? MS has never "forced us" to use anything.

Otherwise, yes, un(f...)believable that Google uses IE6.

Also un(f...)believable that people here are acting like this is all MS' fault (as always) that someone at Google surfs the web with IE6.

Go surf the modern web with Netscape 7, which was released about the same time as IE6. While at it, rant a little about how Mozilla is not any more supporting this dead old browser and urges everyone to use Firefox 3.5.

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