Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 24th Jan 2010 17:59 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones This week, both YouTube and Vimeo opened up beta offerings using HTML5 video instead of Flash to bring video content to users. Both of them chose to use the h264 codec, which meant that only Safari and Chrome can play these videos, since firefox doesn't license the h264 codec. Mike Shaver, Mozilla's vice president of engineering, explained on his blog why Mozilla doesn't license the h264 codec.
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Loser
by ramasubbu_sk on Sun 24th Jan 2010 21:50 UTC
ramasubbu_sk
Member since:
2007-04-05

Here the looser are Opera & Firefox who cannot buy h.264 for economic & principle reason. But the deciders are Google & Apple, because Google has largest video service called YouTube and other has iPhone.

Google & Apple are saying that no one has comfirmed that Theora has not violated any patent, so it is risk. I buy their arguments, Atleast the H.624 is being there in the market for many years prominently and someone would have sued if it has violated any patent.

For me the best solution would be all the rich companies like Microsoft, Google , Apple, IBM, Oracle, etc. should come forward buy the H.624 license and make if royalty free. H.624 research department should also get money for their investment/research.

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RE: Loser
by Praxis on Sun 24th Jan 2010 22:09 in reply to "Loser"
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2009-09-17


Google & Apple are saying that no one has comfirmed that Theora has not violated any patent, so it is risk. I buy their arguments, Atleast the H.624 is being there in the market for many years prominently and someone would have sued if it has violated any patent.


Google hasn't said anything about patents for Theora, they wouldn't include it in their browser if they did. Their concerns have been about performance and since the iphone only supports h.264 with hardware acceleration, that limits their options considerably. I mean if they went with Theora they would have to still keep Flash for IE users, give iphone users h.264, and everyone else Theora. I'm sure they are not envious of this outcome. So would greatly prefer to just stick to flash and h.264, which is pretty much the status quo, upgrading to html5 is just a coding issue then, no backend changes needed. Apple is the one refusing to include Theora for patent reasons.

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RE[2]: Loser
by mrhasbean on Sun 24th Jan 2010 22:28 in reply to "RE: Loser"
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2006-04-03

Apple is the one refusing to include Theora for patent reasons.


Can we blame them? If they develop something themselves that infringes someone else's patents and decide to use it they take that risk themselves (I can feel a Nokia reply coming on here), but why should they include something like Theora that is developed by someone else, IS NOT A RECOGNISED STANDARD and has no determination regarding possible patent infringements?

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RE[2]: Loser
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 24th Jan 2010 23:31 in reply to "RE: Loser"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Apple is the one refusing to include Theora for patent reasons.

Safari delegates all <video> requests to QuickTime. If Xiph or anybody else just upgrades the QT Components http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ to handle streams, Safari would play Theora streams without problems.

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RE: Loser
by KAMiKAZOW on Mon 25th Jan 2010 00:27 in reply to "Loser"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Here the looser are Opera & Firefox who cannot buy h.264 for economic & principle reason. But the deciders are Google & Apple, because Google has largest video service called YouTube and other has iPhone.

The deciders are the complete industry. Basically every media and technology company wants to support AVC and it took their combined strength to wrestle down Microsoft's Windows Media formats. Now MS is on board with AVC.

IIRC Microsoft already stated to support HTML5 with IE9. If they do, I think the codec issue will be decided.

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RE: Loser
by dbolgheroni on Mon 25th Jan 2010 17:14 in reply to "Loser"
dbolgheroni Member since:
2007-01-18

For me the best solution would be all the rich companies like Microsoft, Google , Apple, IBM, Oracle, etc. should come forward buy the H.624 license and make if royalty free. H.624 research department should also get money for their investment/research.


What's the planet you live?

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