Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Jan 2010 23:21 UTC
Amiga & AROS It seems like only yesterday, but in fact it's already six months ago. July last year, we published our review of AmigaOS 4.1 running on ACube's sam440ep motherboard, and here we are, six months later, and Hyperion has released AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1. This free update brings with it quite a number of new features, and since I still have the sam440ep on my desk, I could test the new features first-hand.
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RE[3]: Needs a niche....
by TheDAX on Tue 26th Jan 2010 23:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Needs a niche...."
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Performance can be achieved in may ways these days, (Teraflops through GPUs and up to 106.000 Mips through transputer-like Xmos CPU clusters) so I don't think the X1000 is much behind anything.
On the software side their working on it and finally for the "mainstream" useless talk, once and for all: this is NOT aimed at the main stream.

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RE[4]: Needs a niche....
by tylerdurden on Wed 27th Jan 2010 03:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Needs a niche...."
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Way to completely miss the point...

Amiga as a system is a good decade (or two really) behind in SW. Nowadays, people can run all sorts of niche OS, which support far larger bases of HW (and most of them at a much lower cost than this PPC thingie), and in most cases the OS itself can be had for free.

Taking on the current market with an approach that is over 2 decades behind in order to offer technology which is over 1 decade behind... can't be construed as any sort of logical value proposition. Alas, if these guys manage to sell enough copies to sustain that half assed business model.... then more power to them I guess.

However, on a personal level. If I want to revive the old Amiga days of my youth, I can either spend a couple of bucks for a used one, or fire AmigaOS up on an emulator that will run faster than any Amiga would have ever done nativelly. And then satisfying my craving until the next time. I would most definitively not go out of my way and invest over $1K on a fairly outdated HW platform running an OS which in real terms does very little, and has basically no application support... and that at the end of the day, the only thing "amiga" about it is reflected in a few court order proceedings...

Edited 2010-01-27 04:00 UTC

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RE[5]: Needs a niche....
by TheDAX on Wed 27th Jan 2010 09:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Needs a niche...."
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You are missing the point on all levels.
AmigaOS is a fun operative system that is now back on the evolution path, AmigaOne X1000 is modern albeit different HW that takes the concept of Heterogeneous computing at heart by offering a way of exponentially expand both Flops (via GPU) and Mips (via Xmos miniclusters) at the user demand (which makes it VERY Amiga, and by the way a big paper from Commodore's engineers about New Amiga developments after AAA, was revealed showing the X1000 was designed following those directives to the letter).
But the the biggest mistake is your vision of the market.

Hyperion is doing this for a niche they already know and cater for, so all that description of "how the world is today" is pointless.
And by the way, Joe Poor Average was not the first to buy an HD-TV, he was not the first to buy a PS3 (etc. etc. etc. etc.) he is the last, if ever.
But you should also understand that not everybody is poor, 1000 might sound a lot for many but they are peanuts for a number of people (in the geek world) that exceeds many thousands of times the numbers Hyperion is aiming at.
Those kind of customers will buy a machine for 1000 different reasons but "bang for the buck", as when they spend what they have in mind is "FUN" not "convenience".
They might want a system that is as custom and exotic as it gets.
They might want to be part of the re-birth of a glorious platform and be there first hand as it happens. They might want a peculiar computer only you and a few others have as they don't enjoy being part of the Borg (Dell/HP/Apple) or the People Republic of Netbooks and Free Open Source OSs.
There is people who get a kick spending 50.000 on a car, and those that get even more out of their 1000 purchase.

Edited 2010-01-27 09:28 UTC

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RE[5]: Needs a niche....
by Steril606 on Thu 28th Jan 2010 20:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Needs a niche...."
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I think that AmigaOS and the "Amiga World" as a whole is just not for you.

You are right, at the moment it's hard to see why to buy a system like that for these kind of prices. But, you know what? Ten years ago I said the same thing about Apple users. Much too expensive hardware, for some elitist Media Agency dweebs.

Well, we know now, things changed.

Those dweebs persisted, Jobs came back, things turned around.

And yet, even these days I have discussions with people, telling me "why should I pay 1000 Euros for a Macbook Pro, if i can get almost the same thing for 400 if I buy a Windows machine?".

You can probably build your dream PC for 100 Euro, or our of some trash and put a freeware OS on it.
That doesn't mean other people are not willing to pay more money for their computers and OS.

And who are you to tell them what to do or not.

I am not in any way saying, btw, that Amiga will ever be a "force to be reckoned with again". Nothing is indicating this.

But, it seems things are finally getting a lot better lately, and that's what counts for Amigans these days.

So who are you to rain on that small parade?

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RE[4]: Needs a niche....
by 7valleys on Fri 29th Jan 2010 03:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Needs a niche...."
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I hve no problem with XMos, it's interesting stand alone technology, but what I can't fathom is what is the purpose of the expensive microprocessor board A-Eon wants to graft to it. I mean they

1) aren't on the bus and can't really access memory
2) can't do floating point
3) Would take 256 of them to reach the computing power of a good core 2 duo.

Somebody really hasn't thought this out, beyond this are cool let's stick them onto our machine.

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RE[5]: Needs a niche....
by TheDAX on Fri 29th Jan 2010 08:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Needs a niche...."
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1) aren't on the bus and can't really access memory
2) can't do floating point
3) Would take 256 of them to reach the computing power of a good core 2 duo.

1)The on board X-mos can act as a memory server to the expansion card.

2)The machine might draw extra Mips from the X-mos tech, and extra Flops from GP-GPU, at the user demand. Furthermore 2nd generation X-mos chips were hinted at this year conference, that will include an FPU.
The Xorro slot will accept expansion cards populated with these too.

3)Again no, 256 of them generate 105.000 mips which is more than a Core I7 (quad) Extreme which tops at 76.000 Mips. The PS3 Cell including all SPUs tops at 25.000 Mips, Source :

I am afraid you are also jumping to conclusions, as after many investigations and speculations people far more informed had to realize they don't actually know how the X-Mos tech, "merges" with Amiga at both software and HW level.
A representative from Hyperion stated that is "very tightly integrated" into the system, so it would be better to wait for the details.

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