Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jan 2010 16:08 UTC
Oracle and SUN "Several of the concerns about Oracle's acquisition of Sun have revolved around how Unix technologies led by Sun would continue under the new ownership. As it turns out, Solaris users might not have much to worry about, as Oracle executives on Wednesday affirmed their commitment to preserving the efforts. In the case of Solaris, Oracle had already been a big supporter of the rival Linux operating system. Oracle has its own Enterprise Linux offering, based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. For Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, the idea that Linux and Solaris are mutually exclusive is a false choice."
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RE: Could be worse
by diegocg on Fri 29th Jan 2010 16:52 UTC in reply to "Could be worse"
diegocg
Member since:
2005-07-08

Oracle doesn't have a lot of interest in the desktop sector. They want to build Big Machines. So I don't think they will put a lot of efforts into competing with windows 7 and os x. But hey, it's an opensource project, so I'm sure people will contribute. And as long kde/gnome/x.org progresses, opensolaris progresses aswell.

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RE[2]: Could be worse
by kragil on Fri 29th Jan 2010 17:57 in reply to "RE: Could be worse"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

Oracle employees will contribute .. it is not like OpenSolaris has a big community of devs outside of Oracle.

I think Unix is a lecacy system. Sure there are a few places where it is still way ahead of Linux, but that goes both ways and Linux gets new features every 3 months and Unix .. like once a year at best.

You don't have to be a master futurist to know where that is going to end.

Developing Unix in the long is just added cost. IBM unsterstands that and they want to dump AIX if their customers let them ( like in 2020 or something )

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RE[3]: Could be worse
by Teknoenie on Fri 29th Jan 2010 18:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Could be worse"
Teknoenie Member since:
2007-06-07

"I think Unix is a lecacy system. Sure there are a few places where it is still way ahead of Linux, but that goes both ways and Linux gets new features every 3 months and Unix .. like once a year at best."

You speak like this is a great thing! Sure, for your piddly little laptop/desktop it is, but for an enterprise it's a non-issue. Stability is paramount in these installations. A new feature is just that, new! There is less a chance that a new feature will go into production every three months anyway, as in a mission critical enterprise it would likely take that long just to test. That's why there are enterprise distributions and there are community distributions.


"You don't have to be a master futurist to know where that is going to end."

No you don't. It will end with an enterprise distribution with 3-7 years of support and nearly no newfandagled technology attached.


"Developing Unix in the long is just added cost. IBM unsterstands that and they want to dump AIX if their customers let them ( like in 2020 or something )"

IBM understands money, PERIOD! They don't care if you want to run Windows, AIX, GNU/Linux, Solaris, or any other OS. They care that you buy products and services from them. They make money by tailoring a solution to the need. If you think IBM is a GNU/Linux shop you're sadly mistaken. They're a hardware/software/services shop plain and simple.

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RE[3]: Could be worse
by dvzt on Fri 29th Jan 2010 20:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Could be worse"
dvzt Member since:
2008-10-23

I think Unix is a lecacy system. Sure there are a few places where it is still way ahead of Linux, but that goes both ways and Linux gets new features every 3 months and Unix .. like once a year at best.


If you actually followed OpenSolaris development, you would see that it gets new features at much faster rate than Linux.

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RE[3]: Could be worse
by Laurence on Sat 30th Jan 2010 14:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Could be worse"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

think Unix is a legacy system. Sure there are a few places where it is still way ahead of Linux, but that goes both ways and Linux gets new features every 3 months and Unix .. like once a year at best.


I guess it depends on what you class as "Unix".

If by "Unix" you mean "Unix derived" systems, then OSs like *BSD as still very popular.

Or if you meant UNIX certified systems then let's not forget that systems as recent as OS X Leopard carry that classification.

But if you mean "pure" Unix, then Unix already "died" years ago.

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RE[3]: Could be worse
by unoengborg on Sun 31st Jan 2010 13:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Could be worse"
unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

Oracle employees will contribute .. it is not like OpenSolaris has a big community of devs outside of Oracle.

I think Unix is a lecacy system. Sure there are a few places where it is still way ahead of Linux, but that goes both ways and Linux gets new features every 3 months and Unix .. like once a year at best.

You don't have to be a master futurist to know where that is going to end.

Developing Unix in the long is just added cost. IBM unsterstands that and they want to dump AIX if their customers let them ( like in 2020 or something )


I wouldn't say Solaris is slow on inventing new stuff, look at ZFS, zones, Crossbow, Dtrace, SMF, Live upgrade,..

Solaris and ZFS alone would make it worth wile switching from Linux to Solaris even on a low end file server. E.g. try to get verifiable backups from a software raid system in Linux even though this is possilble theoretically by combining lvm (for snapshots) and software raid, but the performance is not usable even to play with. Not to mention how much easier it is to replace a failing disk in ZFS compared to Linux software RAID.

Not to mention that ZFS will do windows file sharing without adding extra software like samba, just add a few extra moutn properties and you are done.

It will take a very long time before Linux comes even close to Solaris for serverside use. On the desktop Linux have a lead, but both of them are beaten by MacOS-X that is actually certified Unix. Given the rapid development of the OpenSolaris desktop I would say OpenSolaris is closing in on Linux. After all they both use the same desktop GUI toolkits, so the uer experience should be similar.

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RE[2]: Could be worse
by nt_jerkface on Sun 31st Jan 2010 03:03 in reply to "RE: Could be worse"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

But hey, it's an opensource project, so I'm sure people will contribute.


People said the same thing about OpenOffice and it has really just been a Sun project. Software projects with very large codebases can easily stagnate without paid developers.

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