Linked by snydeq on Fri 29th Jan 2010 15:59 UTC
Java Any doubts regarding Oracle's stewardship of Java were dispelled yesterday, as Ellison and company have made it clear that they are very interested in making Java an even stronger alternative to .Net, writes Fatal Exception's Neil McAllister. "We have the money to invest in Java, because Java is a very profitable business for us already," said Ellison, whose plan for integrating Sun technology is ambitious, serving an even more ambitious goal: to create a soup-to-nuts tech juggernaut akin to IBM in the 1960s. Java will remain a key component of this push, with a new Java runtime, greater modularity, better support for non-Java languages, improved performance, and multicore-optimized garbage collection in the works, McAllister writes. Also revealed are plans to unify the Java SE and Java ME programming models and APIs and to enable JVM to run natively on hypervisors, allowing developers to run multiple Java instances on a single virtualized server.
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My 2c
by Ventajou on Fri 29th Jan 2010 18:54 UTC
Ventajou
Member since:
2006-10-31

I mostly use Windows and I can't tell when I'm using a .Net app because it behaves just like a "native" one. But if I look for some piece of free software to do something specific, I try to stay away from java apps because I always expect something that doesn't integrate well with the desktop, with weird file open/save dialogs etc... Now they might look better nowadays but I see so few java apps anyways that I wouldn't know.

Also from what I can gather there is no equivalent to Visual Studio for java. Visual Studio Express has been available for a while now and it's completely free. You install it and then you're ready to code right away. It might be a bit heavy on resources but it just works. That and the msdn documentation makes .Net (and Windows) development a pleasure.

Then again, Oracle's objectives might have nothing to do with desktop app development. They're probably more interested in the "line of business" stuff...

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RE: My 2c
by kedwards on Fri 29th Jan 2010 19:37 in reply to "My 2c"
kedwards Member since:
2009-04-25


Also from what I can gather there is no equivalent to Visual Studio for java. Visual Studio Express has been available for a while now and it's completely free. You install it and then you're ready to code right away. It might be a bit heavy on resources but it just works. That and the msdn documentation makes .Net (and Windows) development a pleasure.


You have Netbeans and Eclipse, both are cross platform and open source. Netbeans is maintained by Sun(now Oracle). Not to mention, Xcode can also be used as a Java IDE. All of the IDEs I mention are free and are good equivalents to Visual Studio.

Edit: Also there is Jdeveloper, which is an Oracle product.

Edited 2010-01-29 19:43 UTC

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RE[2]: My 2c
by Tuishimi on Fri 29th Jan 2010 20:14 in reply to "RE: My 2c"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

JDeveloper and (especially) Eclipse are feature packed. And the plugin system for Eclipse lets you do even more. But to me they are TOO feature packed. I'd rather have something lite... which gets me into trouble sometimes at work...

I prefer to use a simple text editor (altho' before .net I did use MS Visual Studio frequently) and sometimes my comrades will zip up an eclipse project and send it to me to try... but since I never use it, it takes me an hour to get it to the point where it works (changing library paths, etc.) But once I get it to that point it does work well. And as I said, it is feature packed.

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RE: My 2c
by Shannara on Fri 29th Jan 2010 22:00 in reply to "My 2c"
Shannara Member since:
2005-07-06

You are correct. there are NO equiv, only have baked shoddy products. I have yet to find any IDE that comes even close to compare to VS.

With that said, I use java and oracle on my day job. Oracle is .. well, it's like Linux, aka C++, it makes things way over complicated for simple tasks.

Then there's the fact that Oracle refuses to support 1/2 of the features the database supports ...

I dunno, if Java goes down the same path ... it'll lose people.

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RE: My 2c
by Kebabbert on Sat 30th Jan 2010 10:43 in reply to "My 2c"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

I prefer Java apps to .NET apps, because I use several Operating Systems. Sure, if I only used Windows, then I would be content with .NET apps. But I prefer to use the same app, on several platforms.

Also, .NET is more a desktop thing, on Windows. Java is can be run/runs on every OS (it is open and portable): Windows/Mac OS X/Unix/Linux/etc. It runs on Mainframes, super computers, down to Mobile phones, BluRay, etc. I am trying to say that Java is much much more widespread than .NET. That, I like.

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RE[2]: My 2c
by WorknMan on Sat 30th Jan 2010 12:21 in reply to "RE: My 2c"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

HTML5 apps will be the next big thing. Except for IE


Yeesh! I don't know which I dread more... HTML5 apps, .NET apps, or Java apps. I guess the days of running fast, tight, feature-packed, NATIVE applications are coming to an end. *sigh*

I prefer Java apps to .NET apps, because I use several Operating Systems. Sure, if I only used Windows, then I would be content with .NET apps. But I prefer to use the same app, on several platforms.


I dunno... most Java desktop apps I've used, when compared to native counterparts, are complete ass. I wouldn't want to use them on ANY OS. Then again, as you can tell from my above comment, I'm not a huge fan of .NET either, but prefer it to Java on a Windows desktop.

Edited 2010-01-30 12:22 UTC

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