Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jan 2010 22:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless During the iPad presentation, I was rather perplexed by Apple's claim to be the largest mobile device company in the world. Apparently, I wasn't the only one scratching his head, as Nokia itself, and even the Financial Times, is calling Apple out on its juggling with figures and definitions.
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marcosebastian
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2010-01-29

It's amazing now that due to the popularity of Apple's products, everything they say and do either dissapoints or gets taken out of context.

Apple is treated like a celebrity, people are just waiting for them to say something, then take it out of context, and make fun of them. Many Tech sites are like TMZ nowadays... Oh my god! Did you hear what Apple said? And here is what Nokia said in response to that OH MY GOD, discuss...

Seriously, though, look at the quoted material before assumptions and accusations are made against a company. Apple's come a long way this past decade. They didn't ask for popularity, it just came to them.

Last time I checked, Apple was just the good'ol independent actor, now, it's a hollywood star, and all the media outlets want a piece of it. The great thing is though, Apple still maintains a stand on their character.

I'm no fanboy, and I do not like some of their products, but I do respect them as a company, and I do enjoy my iPhone without Flash support!

Edited 2010-01-29 23:39 UTC

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flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

Respect Apple? Sheesh, that's worse than respecting Microsoft or Disney.

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Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Eh... I would respect a lion or a tiger too.

MS, Apple and other successful companies use cunning and at times deception combined with great marketing to obtain what they want: money and power. And all the share holders want them to succeed - just as I want the pharmaceutical companies I invest in to succeed.

What do you invest in? (Not directed at the person I am replying to, but people in general). If you invest in corporations, or even just keeping your money in a bank, you are supporting all kinds of cutthroats, thieves, liars, who will do whatever they can to remain in power (maintain power of you and your life in some way). These are the same corporations who spend more money lobbying our politicians to get what they want, to make MORE money and have MORE power while the little guy gets scr*wed. Lobbyists spend more money in this country than many third world nations GNPs... sick.

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atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

Respect Apple? Sheesh, that's worse than respecting Microsoft or Disney.


Apple sells niche products. There are other things that do what an iPod does, what an iPhone does, and what a Mac does. No one is stuck with any of those things. They stand in direct, fair competition with other devices, and they win because people think they're better. I'm sure you don't think they're better. I'm sure you think everyone who buys one is an idiot and a sucker and secretly suffering terribly for making such an absurd choice. But none of that matters. What Jobs says to impress investors has no impact on product quality, and flashy, trendy advertising has no impact on customer satisfaction. Apple is not perfect, but they win in a fair fight, and that's respectable.

Where does Microsoft win? Where there is no competition. Where hardware companies are eating the profit margin, if any, to compete for the rock-bottom entry level for people who barely know what they're buying. Where IT purchases are an annual line item in an upgrade cycle where even thinking about changing any 20-year-old habits would just be an unacceptable inconvenience. Microsoft wins where it's entrenched, where people are used to it, where completely outside factors make the decision before any meaningful competition has a chance to occur. And they're chair-throwing sore winners about it too. Any time an innovative or successful new idea comes along that they wish they'd thought of, they pretend they did by announcing a future product that will do the same thing. You can say Apple steals ideas too, and I'm sure they do, but actually getting something to market that people prefer to buy is a whole different animal from suffocating creative upstarts with decades of strategic lies like that WiMo is almost ready and it's going to be awesome. Microsoft is not respectable.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

LEAVE APPLE ALONE!

*cough*

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Apple's come a long way this past decade. They didn't ask for popularity, it just came to them.

Boo, hoo, I feel so sorry for them. My heart fecking bleeds, in fact.

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

Apple is treated like a celebrity, people are just waiting for them to say something, then take it out of context, and make fun of them.


Since when does Apple's marketing spew need to be taken out of context to make it laughable? Maybe you'll try to tell us that the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK was taking statements "out of context" when they smacked Apple for false advertising (on multiple occasions).

Apple's come a long way this past decade. They didn't ask for popularity, it just came to them.


Um, what? The "Switch" ads? The iPod commercials? The omnipresent iPhone TV ads? Or the painfully-stupid "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" campaign?

Speaking of that last one, does Apple even realize that portraying their users as smirking, pretentious faux-intellectuals is (while accurate) probably not the best marketing angle?

Last time I checked, Apple was just the good'ol independent actor, now, it's a hollywood star


At least you didn't make a WWE analogy (yet).

The great thing is though, Apple still maintains a stand on their character.


On that point, I agree: Apple has just as much character today as they have ever had, or are ever likely to have.

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dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

does Apple even realize that portraying their users as smirking, pretentious faux-intellectuals is (while accurate) probably not the best marketing angle?

I agree with everything you wrote except this. If they can sell a computer to every aspiring pretentious faux-intellectual (being a real intellectual is far too hard), they'll easily make enough money to buy a small continent.

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