Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Feb 2010 16:25 UTC
General Development While the iPad can certainly be debated as a product, people on the internet are discussing not the product, but the shift devices like the iPhone and iPad represent: a shift away from a computer being accessible to it being something closed and impenetrable. Is this a future we want for ourselves?
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RE: Comment by Laurence
by jweinraub on Mon 1st Feb 2010 16:54 UTC in reply to "Comment by Laurence"
jweinraub
Member since:
2009-06-22

The problem is that Apple's early history was all about tinkering and hacking the device. The very first Apple I was all about it, that was the original purpose!

Whilst I believe the iPad should have OS X installed instead, perhaps in the future it would.

I don't disagree with you that the locking down the device is deplorable on its own. And the vast majority of Apple's customers don't care if it is locked down.

Just like any business, Apple is in the business of selling products for a profit. While today it seems that Apple is alienating their original customers, the hacker (using the original definition of the word, not what the media uses these days).

Is this Steve's doing? I don't know. Though it seems like it is the exact opposite of what his mantra is, perhaps they will make more open products.

I really can't see them making the Mac into an iPad like device, that only way to install software is to use an App Store.

That will single-handedly destroy the company and the shareholders won't be pleased.

I think what people expected the tablet to be was too high, but in this case, I really think using iPhone OS was a mistake and unfortunately, I don't think Apple will get it that changing the OS would make it more successful. Enough people use Mac OS to know how to use it already.

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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by darknexus on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:05 in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Not sure that using OS X on the iPad would've worked all that well. Sure, the os would most likely run (wouldn't surprise me if Apple has an ARM version of OS X hidden away) but none of your Mac apps would work without a recompile. In the case of the free and/or foss apps this probably wouldn't be an issue for long, but a lot of the commercial apps people are relying on would probably take longer and, I'd bet, charge an additional cost for their ARM versions. An os is nothing without apps to run on top of it, and the iPhone OS clearly wins on an ARM-based device like the iPad since all current apps for it will work automatically.
I'm not disagreeing, I would've very much preferred to see OS X on the iPad myself. That would've pretty much made my dream netbook/tablet. I do think it made more immediate sense to use the iPhone OS instead though. Whether it makes the most sense in the long term I don't know.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I don't know if making the application store the primary method of loading software onto the desktop and laptop would kill them. I've long argued that if Microsoft wanted to really benefit the end user, they'd setup software repositories; vetted and verified software packaged for easy install from a central trusted storage. If hundreds of people can manage to keep the repositories solid around Linux distributions then MS and Apple can surely provide similar software delivery (the challenges are business executive related rather than technological).

Apple could do a lot worse than centralizing software delivery through a managed repository. Mind you, they'd have to allow competitive software and be a little more clear than they are in managing the current app store business.

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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by flanque on Mon 1st Feb 2010 22:22 in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

It would be idiotic to declare war on the tinkerers.

When will these organisations learn - you cannot beat the collective knowledge, determination and resources of the entire hacking globe.

Bring it on Apple.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by Kroc on Mon 1st Feb 2010 23:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

And all those hackers buying iPads to hack. Apple will be crying all the way to the bank.

Jailbreaking is akin to software piracy. It maintains the status quo instead of giving free and open alternatives a fair go.

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