Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Feb 2010 16:25 UTC
General Development While the iPad can certainly be debated as a product, people on the internet are discussing not the product, but the shift devices like the iPhone and iPad represent: a shift away from a computer being accessible to it being something closed and impenetrable. Is this a future we want for ourselves?
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Selfish
by ctwise on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:17 UTC
ctwise
Member since:
2007-02-28

Computers were created by technical people. They were used by technical people. Technical people understood them and, even when they tried to "dumb them down", their prejudices and interior understandings bled through.

That's given technical people a huge advantage. And one they don't want to lose. Non-technical people are looking to solve a problem or use a device. Computing appliances have been increasing in usage for one simple reason - they accomplish that goal.

The vast majority of people don't want to crack open their Tivo. The vast majority don't even think about the fact its a computer. It's the same with DVD players and cell phones.

Apple (and Google) want to provide people with a general-purpose device that still functions like a computing appliance. One that people don't have to call a help line to work. One that doesn't get slower the longer you use it. One that doesn't need regular reformatting. One that is easy to use and difficult to screw up. And tinkerers be damned.

The paranoid will tell you that Macs will go the same path. No they won't. That's where the software gets written.

Complaining about the locked down nature of these devices is to ignore why they are locked down. Locking up users and software isn't the reason - it's to prevent people from screwing up the devices.

Stop being so selfish and wanting what you want to the detriment of the vast majority of people.

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RE: Selfish
by TechGeek on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:23 in reply to "Selfish"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Sure, its just selfish on our part. Forget that Apple is making billions off of the fact that you HAVE to go through them to install software. Sounds like Apple PR. There is no technical reason why the user cannot still have access to the device while making it just as easy to use. After all, its not the average person who is going to tinker. So no big deal. The tinkerers aren't going to have problem with their devices, they are smarter than the average user by virtue of the fact that they tinker.

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a quote from GIZMODO site ...
by gehersh on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:05 in reply to "RE: Selfish"
gehersh Member since:
2006-01-03

seems the most appropriate.

"Now it seems [Apple is] doing everything in their power to stop my kids from finding that sense of wonder. Apple has declared war on the tinkerers of the world," whimpers Pilgrim. Grow the f--k up. Apple has no more "declared war" on your children than Henry Ford declared war on colors besides black.

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RE[2]: Selfish
by nt_jerkface on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:43 in reply to "RE: Selfish"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

There is no technical reason why the user cannot still have access to the device while making it just as easy to use.


Full access to the device makes piracy and malware easier.

Buy a different device if you want to tinker. We have far more options than in the Apple ][ days. There is no war against tinkerers, my god what a stupid headline.

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RE: Selfish - why the paring?
by jabbotts on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:58 in reply to "Selfish"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

If that's the case, why does the Iphone not just turn on and work? One has to pair it with Itunes on a big computer before it'll do anything beyond dial 911. Does this lockdown benefit the consumer in some way? The only functions the phone does not do onboard is sync to a bigger computer and show advertisements. Otherwise, everything done through the forces pairing with Itunes could be done directly on the device.

I just don't see locking the owner out of the device as a required part of delivering a simplified experience. As I've said many times, Nokia's Maemo comes in a locked down state with set list of user functions but as the owner, I can also choose to enable those blocked functions. Apple could easily do the same with an obscure jailbreak setting and; "You are about to unlock your device during which time it may not be serviced by Apple. Continue? [Y|N]"

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