Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Feb 2010 16:25 UTC
General Development While the iPad can certainly be debated as a product, people on the internet are discussing not the product, but the shift devices like the iPhone and iPad represent: a shift away from a computer being accessible to it being something closed and impenetrable. Is this a future we want for ourselves?
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Same old whining. . .
by KingRocky on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:25 UTC
KingRocky
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2009-07-30

This is the same old whining that some people do whenever Apple releases a new product. How is it that a company with a whopping 5% of the PC market share and 18% of the "smartphone" market share is "killing innovation?" (Source: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/03/canalys_q3_2009_iphon... )

If the author wants to gripe about a company DOMINATING the market with their closed-source operating system and oppressive and draconian tactics, then he should talk about. . . oh, wait. . . THERE ISN'T ONE.

Nokia has DOUBLE the market share of Apple, but Apple is somehow "killing innovation?"

Give me a break.

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RE: Same old whining. . .
by puelocesar on Mon 1st Feb 2010 17:32 in reply to "Same old whining. . ."
puelocesar Member since:
2008-10-30

Well, if you look at mindshare rather then marketshare, Apple easily wins, and that's the dangerous part of it.

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RE[2]: Same old whining. . .
by KingRocky on Mon 1st Feb 2010 18:03 in reply to "RE: Same old whining. . ."
KingRocky Member since:
2009-07-30

Well, if you look at mindshare rather then marketshare, Apple easily wins, and that's the dangerous part of it.


Yes, because a company building a desirable product, selling millions of them and making a profit is a "bad thing."

There are literally THOUSANDS of other devices out there for "tinkerers." Apple hasn't built devices for "tinkerers" since the very first Macintosh.

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RE[2]: Same old whining. . .
by Adurbe on Mon 1st Feb 2010 18:03 in reply to "RE: Same old whining. . ."
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

mindshare doesn't pay the bills ;-)

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RE: Same old whining. . .
by merkoth on Mon 1st Feb 2010 18:14 in reply to "Same old whining. . ."
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2006-09-22

Maybe I misunderstood, but I think the author was referring to the general trend of not being the true owner of any device and/or software that you buy. Being sued for "trespassing" your own device is plain stupid, IMHO.

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RE[2]: Same old whining. . .
by KingRocky on Mon 1st Feb 2010 18:44 in reply to "RE: Same old whining. . ."
KingRocky Member since:
2009-07-30

Maybe I misunderstood, but I think the author was referring to the general trend of not being the true owner of any device and/or software that you buy. Being sued for "trespassing" your own device is plain stupid, IMHO.


Without getting into a whole discussion about copyright: Don't you think that people who create intellectual property have a right to profit from it? We can all sit around and claim innocence and "fair use" when it comes to copying our DVDs and software, but the plain truth is that a LOT of the copying was and is for piracy, plain and simple.

By keeping a closed ecosystem on its products, Apple is basically covering their asses and protecting their investments. Yes, Microsoft is the dominant player in the PC market, but at what price did that dominance come? Rampant viruses, trojans, buggy software & drivers, and a less-than homogenous user experience.

Apple is dead on in it's attempts to lower the learning curve and make computing simple and easy for everyone. Sure, there will always be people who want more out of their devices, and there are plenty of other devices out there that allow users to put any operating system and any program they want on them.

I think that what people are really mad about is how computers are turning into "appliances." But that's really the nature of the business. Look at your automobile: 30 years ago, you could put whatever accessories you wanted on your engine to dress it up, increase horsepower, etc. But over time, manufacturers realized that the majority of owners simply wanted a safe, reliable car that they didn't have to work on. Look in the engine bay of a modern car, and there's nowhere to bolt on that carburetor, supercharger or headers. But on the upside, you're guaranteed consistent reliable performance for over 100,000 miles.

The majority of computer users don't care about all the "cool" add-ons, alternative operating systems and upgrades available for their PC. They want reliability and stability above all else. They don't want to re-program their routers, they don't want to install Linux on their iPods or cell phones, and they don't want to use their desktop keyboards to play "Rock Band." Apple and many other companies understand this, and they are delivering what their customers want. If their customers didn't want this, then Apple wouldn't be a $50 billion a year company.

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