Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 1st Feb 2010 16:25 UTC
General Development While the iPad can certainly be debated as a product, people on the internet are discussing not the product, but the shift devices like the iPhone and iPad represent: a shift away from a computer being accessible to it being something closed and impenetrable. Is this a future we want for ourselves?
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RE[2]: Same old whining. . .
by KingRocky on Mon 1st Feb 2010 18:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Same old whining. . ."
KingRocky
Member since:
2009-07-30

Maybe I misunderstood, but I think the author was referring to the general trend of not being the true owner of any device and/or software that you buy. Being sued for "trespassing" your own device is plain stupid, IMHO.


Without getting into a whole discussion about copyright: Don't you think that people who create intellectual property have a right to profit from it? We can all sit around and claim innocence and "fair use" when it comes to copying our DVDs and software, but the plain truth is that a LOT of the copying was and is for piracy, plain and simple.

By keeping a closed ecosystem on its products, Apple is basically covering their asses and protecting their investments. Yes, Microsoft is the dominant player in the PC market, but at what price did that dominance come? Rampant viruses, trojans, buggy software & drivers, and a less-than homogenous user experience.

Apple is dead on in it's attempts to lower the learning curve and make computing simple and easy for everyone. Sure, there will always be people who want more out of their devices, and there are plenty of other devices out there that allow users to put any operating system and any program they want on them.

I think that what people are really mad about is how computers are turning into "appliances." But that's really the nature of the business. Look at your automobile: 30 years ago, you could put whatever accessories you wanted on your engine to dress it up, increase horsepower, etc. But over time, manufacturers realized that the majority of owners simply wanted a safe, reliable car that they didn't have to work on. Look in the engine bay of a modern car, and there's nowhere to bolt on that carburetor, supercharger or headers. But on the upside, you're guaranteed consistent reliable performance for over 100,000 miles.

The majority of computer users don't care about all the "cool" add-ons, alternative operating systems and upgrades available for their PC. They want reliability and stability above all else. They don't want to re-program their routers, they don't want to install Linux on their iPods or cell phones, and they don't want to use their desktop keyboards to play "Rock Band." Apple and many other companies understand this, and they are delivering what their customers want. If their customers didn't want this, then Apple wouldn't be a $50 billion a year company.

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RE[3]: Same old whining. . .
by phoudoin on Mon 1st Feb 2010 19:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Same old whining. . ."
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Look at your automobile: 30 years ago, you could put whatever accessories you wanted on your engine to dress it up, increase horsepower, etc. But over time, manufacturers realized that the majority of owners simply wanted a safe, reliable car that they didn't have to work on. Look in the engine bay of a modern car, and there's nowhere to bolt on that carburetor, supercharger or headers. But on the upside, you're guaranteed consistent reliable performance for over 100,000 miles.


I'll bet 30' old car reliability was very similar than modern ones, if not better: all embedded electronics didn't improve reliabilty that much. Your car don't refuse to start due to mechanical issue like in past today, but due to electronics (sensors, crappy firmwares or bad communication cables). Big deal.

But, in the meantime, while 30 years ago you could ask any car auto repair shop to fix issue, these days, thanks to "closed ecosystem", you've no choice but to do it on the car manufacturer's shops. Where you can't put their price in concurrence with alternative repair shops.

Does it ring some (ressemblance) bell!?

You bet it. Same business model: lock the customer to your trade.

I may have no choice in car market, but I'll keep away from it as much as I can in IT one.

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RE[4]: Same old whining. . .
by KingRocky on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Same old whining. . ."
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2009-07-30


I'll bet 30' old car reliability was very similar than modern ones, if not better: all embedded electronics didn't improve reliabilty that much. Your car don't refuse to start due to mechanical issue like in past today, but due to electronics (sensors, crappy firmwares or bad communication cables). Big deal.


30 years ago, if you told someone that you expected your Chevrolet to even MAKE IT to 100,000 miles, you'd have been laughed out of the room. Cars back then could be expected to last 50-60,000 miles, and you were lucky to get a warranty that covered half of that.

Nowadays, Chevrolet is GUARANTEEING that your powertrain will last 100,000 miles, thanks to all of those computers and sensors that you claim to not like. I don't hear anyone complaining that they can't install Linux on their engine control computer because Chevrolet uses a "closed ecosystem."

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RE[3]: Same old whining. . .
by merkoth on Mon 1st Feb 2010 20:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Same old whining. . ."
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Exactly: Most people don't give a damn about tinkering with their devices and that's fine. There's no reason whatsoever to prevent me from tweaking the freaking device I bought with my hard-earned money. As long as I don't infringe any laws (copyright, patents, etc), I'll do whatever I want with the goods I buy. Even if I void the warranty.

As I said, getting sued for getting the most of the goods I bought is ridiculous.

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