Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Feb 2010 23:25 UTC, submitted by Chicken Blood
Apple The beauty of the internet is such that every opinion has become worthless; this goes doubly so for those with publish buttons on (relatively, we're humble) major websites. For every opinion, there's a matching counter-opinion, and that's great. Yesterday, we linked to an article by Mark Pilgrim about tinkerers and the iPad, and of course, someone was bound to disagree with that one.
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RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling!
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 05:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Now that's Sniveling! "
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26


So the control freaks are out in force, and applying spin, spin and evermore spin trying to assert their control over what YOU may or may not do on YOUR OWN COMPUTER.


OH MY GOD.

I just plugged a keyboard into the usb port on my xbox 360 and it didn't let me browse the system directories.

Oh wait that's right I bought the xbox 360 to play games so I could care less.

Completely open consumer devices only lead to piracy. Most users in fact support locking down consumer devices since most of them are against pirates and freeloaders. Most game developers support them as well.

How is the game situation on Linux going? Completely open and yet virtually empty. These are consumer entertainment devices, not toy unix boxes. If they take away root from OSX then you'll have reason to be upset. Until then relax and let people buy the ipad. We'll probably have some nice Linux based tablets in the next few years so be glad this is an avenue where Linux can compete.

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22



Oh wait that's right I bought the xbox 360 to play games so I could care less.

Completely open consumer devices only lead to piracy. Most users in fact support locking down consumer devices since most of them are against pirates and freeloaders. Most game developers support them as well.



Fantastic

You've just stated the ideological frame work for locking everything down and preventing users from doing anything on there box that the manufactures and IP holders didn't intend.

now all we need is to complete the legal frame work, something like modifying the hardware or software environment in any way that is not intended by the manufacturer or IP holders is a civil and or criminal offense. Oh and all pervasive patents and IP right to the rich and powerful to complete the picture.

Perhaps you would like to see stickers on all boxes - Opening this device by anyone other than an authorized dealer will invalidate the warranty and may result in criminal prosecution and on the front installing or loading any unauthorized optical disc into this device may invalidate the warranty and result in criminal prosecution.

I yes you just want to play games - so just go and play GTA an be a real dude in a fantasy world after all the real world doesn't matter.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Perhaps you would like to see stickers on all boxes - Opening this device by anyone other than an authorized dealer will invalidate the warranty and may result in criminal prosecution and on the front installing or loading any unauthorized optical disc into this device may invalidate the warranty and result in criminal prosecution.


Do you think people should be allowed to turn back the odometer on their cars since they own them? How about removing the catalytic converter?

Society sets limits all the time with ownership. No I don't think opening your xbox should result in criminal prosecution but I glad that it invalidates the warranty since there needs to be more deterrents against piracy.

In pc gaming there is no deterrent and games are pirated like crazy. The problem is not with device manufacturers but with people. There are too many people that will skip out on the bill if they know that they can get away with it. I don't like this reality anymore than you but it is one that I have seen first hand.


I yes you just want to play games - so just go and play GTA an be a real dude in a fantasy world after all the real world doesn't matter.


Games are a break from the real world. You know, entertainment?

Edited 2010-02-03 07:04 UTC

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boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Completely open consumer devices only lead to piracy. Most users in fact support locking down consumer devices since most of them are against pirates and freeloaders. Most game developers support them as well.


Have you lost all connection with reality? "Most users support locking down consumer devices?" So, if I asked Random Joe Computer User if he'd like to control his own computer, he'd say, "Oh, God, no! If I controlled my computer, I'd just pirate things! Please, take away my ability to load software on it, or change any of its settings."

Most people I know very much want to control their own devices, at least in the abstract. The problem is, they also don't want to worry about administering their devices, which they view as a onerous cost to using the device, which should be minimized; they don't realize that, in opting for a clean, simplified, configuration-free environment, with minimal or no control nobs and administration levers, they've also sacrificed their control of their hardware. They don't realize they're making a trade-off there.

Hell, Classic Mac OS, and I think OS X, had a "simple interface mode", which basically aggressively dumbed down the user interface even more, on the theory that non-power-users would probably prefer a simpler interface. The Mac Classic one, if I recall, completely did away with the Desktop or access to the file system, and just displayed multiple tabs, one listing all the applications in some PATH, and another tab all the documents in some other PATH, each displayed as a big-ass button. My father doesn't understand the concept of drag-and-drop: I said, logically enough, "let's try simple mode, maybe you can use that." He hated it. The reason? Because he was obviously trading off his ability to control the computer -- or even just use the computer's facilities to their fullest -- for ease-of-use. (Well, OK, it might have been insulting to him to be using an interface that was both so hideous and so obviously cabbagized, that was probably also a factor.) Ditto for OS X: I think Simple Interface Mode lasted a few minutes, because it hid controls on the menu bar, and he wanted access to all the controls on his computer, which he definitely felt he should own and control completely, given that he'd paid the rather exorbitant price for the thing (it was a Mac Cube).

When the offer to trade off ownership for convenience is made up-front, almost nobody will go for it. People most certainly actively wish to avoid losing control of their machines, and they definitely don't value locking down an environment for its own sake. The problem comes when the trade-off is hidden: if it's pitched first as making the environment much easier to use, and people don't see or realize how much control they're really giving up, they'll accept the same deal much more eagerly.

Edited 2010-02-03 17:08 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Have you lost all connection with reality? "Most users support locking down consumer devices?" So, if I asked Random Joe Computer User if he'd like to control his own computer, he'd say, "Oh, God, no! If I controlled my computer, I'd just pirate things! Please, take away my ability to load software on it, or change any of its settings."


I'm not talking about computers, I'm talking about consumer devices.

People who buy game consoles don't want pirates and freeloaders playing games that they didn't purchase. Since the vast majority plans on purchasing legal games for their system they have no problem with locking out non-approved games.

The same is true for cell phones. If you give people a choice between phone A that won't get malware but requires you to purchase apps from the company store or phone B that allows installation any app most people will choose phone A.

They're consumer devices and people expect them to have limited functionality.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

"Completely open consumer devices only lead to piracy" - bullshit.

.. About as valid as "the colour green causes cancer". To be truly accurate, it's copyright infringement not piracy. And open systems still don't cause it any more than closed systems have managed to stop it. (it's on the rise except in music where the removal of DRM has actually reduced piracy and improved profits)

"Most users in fact support locking down consumer devices since most of them are against pirates"

Most people believe what marketing tells them. There believing that open systems inherently lead to copyright infringement doesn't make it so though RIAA has put a lot of money into repeating that falsehood.

And, what exactly does gaming on Linux based systems have to do with how much access one has to there own purchased items?

"consumer entertainment devices not toy unix boxes" - like Tivo and the bazillion other consumer devices and gadgets that happen to use a Linux platform.

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